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Three part question on de worming

Posted by Trish on October 30, 2012 at 6:05pm in Health

1- Is the cluster of poop an indication of worms or parasites, and if so what type is it usually? -- or is it from food or browse?

2- If safe guard for goats kills worms, what about parasites?

3- How to you administer in a syringe the safe guard- down throat, or on side of mouth or on food?

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  • Glenna Rose November 7, 2012 at 12:07am

    Well, folks, the microscope some of you recommended is among my possessions.  I ordered it Sunday night and it was delivered Tuesday morning at 8:35, less than 36 hours after I ordered it!  I can only say, Wow!

    Now . . . to learn to use it.

  • Trish November 5, 2012 at 10:52am

    Thanks Rachel,  the wether is a problem.  He won't let the girls eat and is controlling.  I tried separating him and he throws a tizzy fit.  I put Mia the doe he is close to with him and they both get ansy when not in their pen.  So at  night I put the weather and Mia on one side and the new doe, queenie, and the baby on the other side.  They can see each other but can't get to each other.  When I put them all together and leave there is a lot of crying and Mia trying to get out.   Since I put the barrier up they seem to be more at ease.  You can see the barrier in one of my pics.  I still have to separate the weather when they eat... and feed the baby separate.  During the day, the browse together and are okay, it's feeding time that the weather is a pain.

  • Rachel Whetzel at MigMog Acres November 5, 2012 at 10:44am

    Glenna, My goats have intermittent clumpy poops all the time, and it never develops into anything more. I agree with Margaret. It's only something to keep an eye on, and to be watchful that it doesn't progress from there. Only one of my bucks did, and I was able to catch it, and get his scours under control before he got seriously sick. Most of the time, it's just that they have clumpy poops. Usually, I chalk it up to one or two of them eating something new or in larger quantities than usual, and offsetting their ruman balance.

    Trish, I would say that your girls are fine. Separating them can cause more stress, so you might just let them be, and keep an eye out for stools that continue to get more loose. Sounds to me like your girls could be chalked up to stress (from being new, or getting new herd mates) and that will ease over time. If they are eating and drinking normally, and no one is getting more than just clumps, it's a safe bet that they are all fine. If you would feel better DOING something, you could feed them some probiotics (yogurt with live cultures in it has this) and that helps to balance their rumen. Baking Soda helps also.

  • Trish November 5, 2012 at 8:40am

    Interesting as it's one of the two new goats that have the clumpy poop.. (have been keeping them separate so I know it's one of the new ones) .not all of her poops are clumpy just intermittent.  I tested the clumpy poops and there are no worms or parasites.  They eat fine. 

  • Margaret Langley November 5, 2012 at 7:54am

    No Glenna, you are not neglectful. Rule of thumb for short term clumpy poops, with no other symptoms is not to worry to much and just keep watch. As long as that is it and it only last a day or two then it is just usually diet related. It can be as simple as, something they normally browse on that has changed form, ie. leaves that have dried, or new leaves, new blooms. It can be a bad sign or just a normal part of diet change. It is not dangerous in itself it is only a symptom to be observed.

  • Glenna Rose November 5, 2012 at 1:40am

    Hmmm.  Occasionally (maybe three times in six months), one of my girls will have clumpy poop (never figured out which one) but it is only for a day or so and there is never any diarrhea.  Because it didn't stay more than a day or two, I didn't bother to do anything about it.  Am I being neglectful?

  • Rachel Whetzel at MigMog Acres November 4, 2012 at 11:55pm

    That doesn't make sense to me, because clumpy poops are the precursor to diarrhea in goats. It could mean they need to drink more water to stay hydrated, but I don't think it's the reason for the poops. Basically, clumpy poops are the softer version of regular poops, and what will come just before (and also after as a sign of healing) diarrhea. I would think that constipation would be a better indication they needed more water.

    Trish said:

    A friend in the mountains mentioned to me that clumpy poops in her goats,  to her,  meant they weren't drinking enough water, ... thoughts?

    Rachel Whetzel said:

    1. Clustered poop is an indication that there are parasites, but it can also just be an indication that there is an imbalance in the rumen. Clumpy poop on it's own and for just a day isn't really a good indicator of parasites on it's own.
    2. According to the site I looked at, the only parasites that are specifically named that Safeguard for goats kills are : Stomach worms (adults): Haemonchus contortus and Teladorsagia circumcincta. No mention of any other parasites, and it should be noted that it even specifies adults, which I take to mean not eggs.
    3. I think most people drench down the throat, because I don't think the goats like the taste enough to just give it to them on food. There is a pellet form that my goats eat just fine. I only used it once though, before I switched to a different wormer that controlled more parasites.

    Hope that helps!

  • Trish November 4, 2012 at 9:06pm

    A friend in the mountains mentioned to me that clumpy poops in her goats,  to her,  meant they weren't drinking enough water, ... thoughts?

    Rachel Whetzel said:

    1. Clustered poop is an indication that there are parasites, but it can also just be an indication that there is an imbalance in the rumen. Clumpy poop on it's own and for just a day isn't really a good indicator of parasites on it's own.
    2. According to the site I looked at, the only parasites that are specifically named that Safeguard for goats kills are : Stomach worms (adults): Haemonchus contortus and Teladorsagia circumcincta. No mention of any other parasites, and it should be noted that it even specifies adults, which I take to mean not eggs.
    3. I think most people drench down the throat, because I don't think the goats like the taste enough to just give it to them on food. There is a pellet form that my goats eat just fine. I only used it once though, before I switched to a different wormer that controlled more parasites.

    Hope that helps!

  • Trish November 4, 2012 at 9:02pm

    Thanks Margaret... I have some on hand now..

  • Margaret Langley November 1, 2012 at 8:13pm

    What I have been using is the safeguard, And although I haven't done any fecals it seems to be working. I feel that it is the best one to start with if you don't have enough info to know which one you should try first. I have always had good luck with this one! And if you can't find it locally you can always order it from Jeffers vet supply.

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