I have read some of the comments already but just wanted to see what the best option is, this is the first time we have bred a goat but she has been bred and has had kids before we purchased her!! We bred Elly last month and we hit 21 days after and she seemed all good we are at day 26 today and she has started flagging and making a little more noise than but not as much as she does when she is in heat. We do have an 8 month old doeling who will be in heat by the end of this week and our wether does not seem interested in Elly, Should we be taking her on another trip to the buck or should we see if she comes back into heat in January. Any advice would be wonderful. Thanks Everyone.
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Thanks Deborah, that makes sense! However I made a mistake in that post-- they were reporting 146 days from the FIRST breeding. Also, they may or may not have NDGs. I'm sure that is not the norm though. Interesting to postulate though.
Here's the post: http://www.thegoatspot.net/forum/f197/5-day-heat-101052/
If a doe kids 153 days after the first breeding, that means that she is kidding 146-148 days after the second breeding, which is MUCH more normal for NDs, so they are getting pregnant on the second breeding. I have only had two Nigerians ever go beyond 150 days. And although I never say that anything is impossible, it would be very close to impossible to have two kids that were conceived at different times. What happens hormonally and in the doe's uterus after conception specifically prevents ovulation to occur again. I have had many does give birth to kids of different sizes when they had only been bred on a single day -- sometimes as much as a two pound difference. And a kid is not going to gain a pound or two in five days in utero.
Julia Stephens said:
Yes, Rachel is right. Also I have been digging deeper on this subject and many people reported their doe came back into heat 5 to 7 days after breeding but delivered 153 days from the FIRST breeding. So, to be safe you should breed her when she comes into heat and if she comes in again, breed her again. Also, it seems to me she could possibly be bred BOTH times. If two follicles ripen but only one egg is released first and that one is fertilized but the second egg then is released causing her hormones to rage again, that one could also be fertilized in the second breeding and (voila!), twins from different breedings. Sometimes one kid is smaller than the other(s) and that could be why.
I don't think the article meant wait for the second week, I think it was saying why they will come back into heat so quickly if the first breeding didn't take?
Interesting! All the terms from my Human Body System class at school come back briefly. lol
That is exactly what has been happening with one of my does and she is 4 years old. Her daughter is not having the same behavior - thankfully. Thanks for that post! It appears that I should wait to bred her until that second week comes around.
I found this interesting post on another forum about the 5 or 7 day cycle some does seem to do every month. Both of my young does did this. The first one went into heat, I bred her successfully twice, but she came back into standing heat in 5 days. This time when I bred her again she did not come back into heat and it's been over 21 days. My other young doe did the same thing although my five year old has normal heat cycles. Here's the post about these heat cycles taken from a book written by vets:
The estrous cycle is regulated by hormones. The normal pattern shows a follicle developing on the ovary and producing estrogen. Follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) and Luteinizing hormone (LH) are produced by the pituitary gland. These two hormones help mature the follicle and cause it to rupture. A corpus leteum (c.l.) develops in the bed of the ruptured follicle and produces progesterone which prepares the uterus for pregnancy. If conception has not occurred, the uterus will produce a prostaglandin which causes regression of the c.l. and will then allow the next cycle to take place. If conception has occurred, the prostaglandin will not be produced and the c.l. will persist and help maintain the pregnancy. Goats require c.l. for the entire length of the pregnancy.
Occasionally the planned hormonal control will malfunction. A common occurrence is the five-day heat. A doe will come into season and stand for the buck normally. We carefully enter the dates on the calendar and start planning for our babies in 5 months. But 5 days later, the doe is back in season and standing once again for the buck. He is happy and so is she, but what does this do to our 5 month plans? Apparently the follicle produced with the first heat did not rupture (ovulate). But since it was ripe, it took only a few days for the hormones to build back up and prepare for ovulation once again. The majority of does will ovulate at the five-day heat and you should adjust your calendar accordingly. There is almost no chance that she would have ovulated at the first heat.
Taken from Pygmy Goats Management and veterinary care by Lorrie Boldrick and Lydia Hale
This is true for all goats.
This is our first experience with this too! Our 2 does are due any day now and just recently quit acting that way! One was worse than the other but I didn't think they were bred for the longest time! I thought they would shut that off when they were pregnant! I talked to the breeder and their mother had acted the same way when bred. Our buck had managed to get the job done the first time :)
This morning all was normal again....no one was obnoxious and I checked her vulva and she had no discharge or swelling so I'm hoping that maybe she was just hormonal from pregnancy....God, I hope so!
This seems to be a really funny year for animals all around....lots of barnyard craziness...I had to separate my rooster cause he was trying to breed my indian runner ducks....crazy. Everyone is going haywire! LOL
I have had this with my does this year - continually. I swear you would think an alien had taken over their bodies. Bred or not - mine? still not convinced.....
Lori Adams said:
MARK your calendar and check your does when they should be due from that first breeding! I just had a doe give birth right on time based upon her first breeding. I hadn't been checking her as much as I would a goat that I knew was due -- basically I was glancing at her udder and saying, "Nope, she's not gonna kid until next month!" And then we got quite a surprise yesterday morning!
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