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I was wondering if there was a way i could get a better chance of my doe having does than bucks, I heard you could breed you doe at their early stage of their heat. Does this work the majority of the time, or is their a better alternative? 

Thanks, 

    Sophia

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If there were a proven way to ensure does (or have a better chance at it) than bucks, we'd all be doing it! Really, most of the ideas out there are speculation. There are a lot of factors believed to impact doe vs. bucklings, but truthfully, they are all just theory.

If there was a way to get more does than bucks, we'd all be doing it! :) There are a number of myths about how to get more does, but none has been proven.

LOL!  It happened again! :)  You two are really sharing a wavelength this time.  I thought one of you had quoted the other for a second. :)

LOL! Well, yeah! What DAIRY goat breeder doesn't want more does? :)

Seriously. I would LOVE to be the person to find that proven method!!

I don't know if you would call it proven or not but I had a doe that had all bucks her first 2 kiddings and that was with her being bred to 2 different bucks. For her third breeding I was again taking her to the buck a different one from the first 2. This time when she was in heat as we were getting her loaded we took about a 5cc syringe of apple cider vinegar and squirted it in her vulva. We then took her over to visit the buck and 5 months later she had 3 doe kids.  I have not tried it again so I don't know how it would work for other does.  But that's my story. 

Mac's Rainbow

SaMcC

WE NEED A LIKE BUTTON!

Rachel you can be the one to "find" that proven method. I really don't care. I am not selfish. Find all you want. All I want is for you to share it! Like Deborah said, "What DAIRY goat breeder doesn't want more does?"!

Sophia, We have actually had a couple of discussions on here about that and had some interesting thoughts and ideas expressed, but the fact is that most likely there isn't much to any of it when you get right down to it. I wish I knew where they were, but I don't have a clue!

Something you will realize later and might find interesting though, is that it does seem strange that almost every year there is one thing very obvious that will stand out for that year at many of the farms. Something different each year. Like lots of does born, lots of triplets born to FFs, lots of bucks born. It is very strange, but really seems to always be something. Unfortunately, this year I think that what was weird was that many people had bad things happen. But hopefully, it will mean that next season will be great!

 

 

That would actually be supported by the theory (and this one is scientifically supported in HUMANS) that there are male and female sperm - in humans, the female sperm are slower, but stronger, while the males are faster, but weaker. So creating acidity with the vinegar is essentially creating an environment where male sperm are less likely to survive.

I guess if you applied that information to the original question, the idea that breeding in early heat creates more girls, that would be that you would be breeding while the sperm has the furthest to travel to get to the freshly released egg. So slow and steady would "win" the race, and you'd get more girls.

Still, all theory... but interesting at the very least!

Mac's Rainbow (SarMcC) said:

I don't know if you would call it proven or not but I had a doe that had all bucks her first 2 kiddings and that was with her being bred to 2 different bucks. For her third breeding I was again taking her to the buck a different one from the first 2. This time when she was in heat as we were getting her loaded we took about a 5cc syringe of apple cider vinegar and squirted it in her vulva. We then took her over to visit the buck and 5 months later she had 3 doe kids.  I have not tried it again so I don't know how it would work for other does.  But that's my story. 

Mac's Rainbow

SaMcC

Wow, you're a much bigger risk taker than I am. All I could think of when I was reading your post was what if the doe had jumped or kicked at the wrong moment and you wound up causing a wound on her vagina or cervix, which would open her up to the risk or tetanus or any kind of infection with resulting infertility or death. I'm assuming you removed the needle, but the plastic on the end of syringes is still rather sharp, especially when up against the very soft tissue in a doe's vagina.

And it is not all that uncommon for does to even things out. I've had plenty of does have all bucks or does one year, even two years, then all of the other gender another year. I even had one doe that had about 15 bucks and 3 does, and then the next year she had quad does. Of course, that's probably because I had a very serious talk with her about evening up things. :0) I always have a serious talk with does that are giving me too many bucks, and they generally give me more does. So, instead of waiting until they have too many bucks, maybe I should have that talk with them every year!

Mac's Rainbow (SarMcC) said:

I don't know if you would call it proven or not but I had a doe that had all bucks her first 2 kiddings and that was with her being bred to 2 different bucks. For her third breeding I was again taking her to the buck a different one from the first 2. This time when she was in heat as we were getting her loaded we took about a 5cc syringe of apple cider vinegar and squirted it in her vulva. We then took her over to visit the buck and 5 months later she had 3 doe kids.  I have not tried it again so I don't know how it would work for other does.  But that's my story. 

Mac's Rainbow

SaMcC

LOL! I"LL HAVE TO GIVE THAT A TRY!

I had the same thought, Deb... but how does one inject for AI? I wonder if you could apply the same way?

Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

Wow, you're a much bigger risk taker than I am. All I could think of when I was reading your post was what if the doe had jumped or kicked at the wrong moment and you wound up causing a wound on her vagina or cervix, which would open her up to the risk or tetanus or any kind of infection with resulting infertility or death. I'm assuming you removed the needle, but the plastic on the end of syringes is still rather sharp, especially when up against the very soft tissue in a doe's vagina.

And it is not all that uncommon for does to even things out. I've had plenty of does have all bucks or does one year, even two years, then all of the other gender another year. I even had one doe that had about 15 bucks and 3 does, and then the next year she had quad does. Of course, that's probably because I had a very serious talk with her about evening up things. :0) I always have a serious talk with does that are giving me too many bucks, and they generally give me more does. So, instead of waiting until they have too many bucks, maybe I should have that talk with them every year!

Mac's Rainbow (SarMcC) said:

I don't know if you would call it proven or not but I had a doe that had all bucks her first 2 kiddings and that was with her being bred to 2 different bucks. For her third breeding I was again taking her to the buck a different one from the first 2. This time when she was in heat as we were getting her loaded we took about a 5cc syringe of apple cider vinegar and squirted it in her vulva. We then took her over to visit the buck and 5 months later she had 3 doe kids.  I have not tried it again so I don't know how it would work for other does.  But that's my story. 

Mac's Rainbow

SaMcC

I am sure that is done with very safe equipment and they are also secured from jumping around! But personally I would just be too scared to use anything in there! My luck I would cause some horrible problem!

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