I think I have a problem. My Nubian buck just jumped my 5' fence and may have bred my Nigerian Doe.
How serious is this? Would she be able to carry and birth it?
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Nothing with goats is ever 100%, but the odds are extremely good that she did not get pregnant when she got bred four days earlier. Sometimes a buck can sneak up on a doe that is not in heat and breed her before she knows what has happened. They don't get pregnant in those situations. If she was acting flirty and letting him breed her repeatedly, it could have been a false heat. Some does will have that and then come into heat four or five days later, and that is when they will get pregnant. I'd always heard that when that happens, the second heat is the real one, and in my herd, that has always been the case -- the does give birth about 145-150 days after the second breeding.
Kelly Wood said:
Yes, and they are on the "watch" list on The American Livestock Breeds Conservancy. They have a very interesting history and are very sturdy and adaptable, very good for down here in the south. There are several very large commercial herds, but not so many others. Not as easy to come by as NDs, that is for sure. I have found a handful of people who have small herds that are from ancestors who go way back and I hope to secure a few later. They are handled very differently as a breed as they are NOT REGISTERED. They are verified or certified through physical exams by old timers who know the breed and DNA etc. and bred and sold based on trust in breeders and the strong desire of folks to do the breed justice and no harm and are not as costly as registered goats. Very interesting and different situation to say the least.
Martha, the doe that may have been bred to the Nubian went into heat 4 days afterwards. Does this mean she is not bred? Should I still give her the Lutalyse anyways? Thanks again!
Margaret, I have not heard of a Spanish goat before. Are they meat goats also?
Congratulations on selling the buck! I know you'll sleep better at night not having to worry about that happening again.
Kelly Wood said:
Great, I know that must be a big relief to have him gone. Thanks to all of you for this chat. I am wondering now about how long I may want to wait before I consider bringing in any other breed of buck. I had planned to have a spanish buck possibly as early as this spring, but I am real sure now that I will wait a while longer, maybe even a few more years. I do not want to have to worry about this type of thing. I may just use the ND bucks for breeding our meat goats. I know I could breed more pounds of meat by not using the NDs but if I use bigger does and just use my ND bucks I figure the offspring will still make good carcasses and lower big baby birth problems for those does along with the protection to my ND does etc.. Yea, I really think that would be a safer plan all the way around.
Well, I would rather have fertility problems than lose my girl to an overly large baby. I will go to the vet on Tues. and get some Lutalyse just to be on the safe side. Thanks again!
Oh, and I sold the buck last night so this will not happen again!!!!!
Yep, my LM buck would do the same thing! And I even had two fences between him and the ND does, but he was determined. I tried taking him down the road to live with my sheep, but he jumped the fence out there and beat me back to the goat pasture!
I used lutalyse on about ten does, and they've all been fine since then. I saw someone online once say they thought it caused fertility problems later in their goats, but none of my does had any issues, and I've only heard one person say that.
Kelly Wood said:
Margaret, Martha is my doe's name and she is 9 years old. I am not sure what she weighs, but I would figure maybe around 50-60lbs. I have not measured her or anything either, but she is not that small.
The Nubain buck has only been here a for a few days, but we call him Rufus. He came with a herd I bought and I had him up for sale to get him out of here. Like, Deb, I have no need of a standard size male goat. Never did I imagine that he would scale a 5' fence to get to a doe in heat.
Kelly, how old is she and what does she weigh? What are the names of these two goats? I like to know who we are talking about.
I'm not sure that Tyler understands your doe was bred by a NUBIAN buck. There have been cases of ND does giving birth to 1/2 breed kids, but I have also heard some horrible horror stories. A cross ND-standard kid will be around 6 pounds. Your typical ND kid is 2-3 pounds. The largest ND kid we've ever had was 5 pounds, and it was a 5-year-old, 22.5 inch tall doe, which is the max height for an ND, and she had a rough time, but she did get the kid out. When my la mancha buck got into my ND doe pen, I got lutalyse from the vet, which is injected seven days after breeding, and it ends the pregnancy. That is also why I no longer have standard bucks. It was too nerve wracking for me! A c-section usually costs $500 and up, depending upon the vet.
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