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CAE Testing with milk sample

Posted by Melissa Johnson on January 21, 2011 at 11:09pm in Health

I just read about this on ruminationsongoats.blogspot.com  - is this something that is being done instead of a blood draw???

I copied this from the above site - Cheryl K. Smith....

 

CAEV Test with Milk Sample

A study published in the February 2009 issue of Small Ruminant Research compared the ELISA method of diagnosing caprine arthritis encephalitis virus (CAEV) using samples of milk whey and the usual blood samples. Samples of each were taken from 66 lactating dairy goats whose infection status for CAEV was already known. All of the goats whose blood samples tested positive for CAEV also had positive tests using the milk samples; the same was true for those with negative tests.

The researchers concluded that using ELISA on milk whey samples is an appropriate method for diagnosing CAEV, and it may be even better because the test is non-invasive (no need to draw blood) and may be less expensive.

Any goat keeper can learn to draw blood from his or her goats (you can find detailed instructions in Goat Health Care), but for those who are milking their goats, wouldn't it be nice to just save a sample and send it in to the lab for annual testing?
Milk whey samples?  NOT whole milk??
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  • Julie Quilligan January 23, 2011 at 4:21pm
    It's great to have the back up of a friend who's been through a few kidding seasons.  But if we get into anything complex we have a wonderful vet.   Nice thing with the ND's is that we can easily cart one to him.   When we had the Nubians and Alpines we had him come here the one time we had to ask him for help. 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    I have someone right down the street that raised Pygmies at one time, everyone calls her.  The only problem with that is she is in a wheelchair (lost a leg many moons ago) and it is so muddy she wouldnt be able to get back there.  But, I could call if I needed to, and then there's the vet.

    Julie Quilligan said:
    Our goats are all inside our barn.  We use pine shavings over rubber stall mats.  Vinegar is sprayed or baking soda sprinkled as needed on the mats.   Problem was with our cow that she didn't want to go out in her paddock and stayed in the barn almost constantly.  But the cow poop was so heavy that it wore me out cleaning up after her.  When she started to dry up we decided to let her go to another homesteading family with a large pasture for her.  Then two friends who'd purchased ND's from us decided to sell out so we ended up in ND's again.  Fortunately we've been able to bring back in the original bloodlines we'd been blending,  from closed, clean herds.  Do you have a local breeder where you can go and assist in some kiddings?  Years ago we had a customer fly up from Southern California to do just that before her first kidding season.  Then she kept us on the phone as encouragement and back up during her first kidding.  She did fine!

    Melissa Johnson said:
    give me Nigerians anyday.  My 2 are housed in a barn room and I have been diligent in keeping the straw(hay) dry so there are only a couple of spots where the dirt underneath actually shows any "wet" spots. last year I put down a layer of coarse wood chips then straw or overripe hay.  Not this year, but has been ok.  All I know is the bigger the animal, the more they eat, the more they poop and pee.  here in Oregon, you can sell raw milk off the "farm" but you cant advertise.  Yeah, if you work full time, nothing I would really want to do before work, however, God willing, if I EVER do get hired again, I will be doing just that.  My does are bred this year for the first time.  I'm excited AND a little concerned like oh my gosh - what have I done. LOL.
    Julie Quilligan said:
    We're in Southern Idaho.  High, flat desert mesa so nothing stops the wind chill!  I sure wish we could find raw cow's milk for .50 per gallon now.  I'd be making butter again!  I miss our house cow, but she was just too hard to take care of as opposed to the ND's.  Here in Idaho they've just passed some great new raw milk laws, allowing small cow and goat farmers to sell to consumers.  But there's too many consumers and not enough farmers providing it currently!

    Melissa Johnson said:

    no happy face needed.  I need to focus on what is "right" about my goats, instead of what could go wrong!  Right, Deborah? ^^

    We used to buy raw cow's milk when I was a kid $.50 a gallon.  ^^ It was wonderful, she would milk while we waited sometimes and then would come in and strain it through a thick dishcloth.  We never thought about those sorts of things....... and the warm milk tasted heavenly..... ^^ what state are you in Julie?  btw no sunshine today, and between me and the goats we ate all the Ginger Snaps yesterday, so even they knew there was no sun. -(  LOL.

    Julie Quilligan said:

    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Melissa Johnson January 23, 2011 at 1:17pm
    I have someone right down the street that raised Pygmies at one time, everyone calls her.  The only problem with that is she is in a wheelchair (lost a leg many moons ago) and it is so muddy she wouldnt be able to get back there.  But, I could call if I needed to, and then there's the vet.

    Julie Quilligan said:
    Our goats are all inside our barn.  We use pine shavings over rubber stall mats.  Vinegar is sprayed or baking soda sprinkled as needed on the mats.   Problem was with our cow that she didn't want to go out in her paddock and stayed in the barn almost constantly.  But the cow poop was so heavy that it wore me out cleaning up after her.  When she started to dry up we decided to let her go to another homesteading family with a large pasture for her.  Then two friends who'd purchased ND's from us decided to sell out so we ended up in ND's again.  Fortunately we've been able to bring back in the original bloodlines we'd been blending,  from closed, clean herds.  Do you have a local breeder where you can go and assist in some kiddings?  Years ago we had a customer fly up from Southern California to do just that before her first kidding season.  Then she kept us on the phone as encouragement and back up during her first kidding.  She did fine!

    Melissa Johnson said:
    give me Nigerians anyday.  My 2 are housed in a barn room and I have been diligent in keeping the straw(hay) dry so there are only a couple of spots where the dirt underneath actually shows any "wet" spots. last year I put down a layer of coarse wood chips then straw or overripe hay.  Not this year, but has been ok.  All I know is the bigger the animal, the more they eat, the more they poop and pee.  here in Oregon, you can sell raw milk off the "farm" but you cant advertise.  Yeah, if you work full time, nothing I would really want to do before work, however, God willing, if I EVER do get hired again, I will be doing just that.  My does are bred this year for the first time.  I'm excited AND a little concerned like oh my gosh - what have I done. LOL.
    Julie Quilligan said:
    We're in Southern Idaho.  High, flat desert mesa so nothing stops the wind chill!  I sure wish we could find raw cow's milk for .50 per gallon now.  I'd be making butter again!  I miss our house cow, but she was just too hard to take care of as opposed to the ND's.  Here in Idaho they've just passed some great new raw milk laws, allowing small cow and goat farmers to sell to consumers.  But there's too many consumers and not enough farmers providing it currently!

    Melissa Johnson said:

    no happy face needed.  I need to focus on what is "right" about my goats, instead of what could go wrong!  Right, Deborah? ^^

    We used to buy raw cow's milk when I was a kid $.50 a gallon.  ^^ It was wonderful, she would milk while we waited sometimes and then would come in and strain it through a thick dishcloth.  We never thought about those sorts of things....... and the warm milk tasted heavenly..... ^^ what state are you in Julie?  btw no sunshine today, and between me and the goats we ate all the Ginger Snaps yesterday, so even they knew there was no sun. -(  LOL.

    Julie Quilligan said:

    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Julie Quilligan January 23, 2011 at 7:45am
    Our goats are all inside our barn.  We use pine shavings over rubber stall mats.  Vinegar is sprayed or baking soda sprinkled as needed on the mats.   Problem was with our cow that she didn't want to go out in her paddock and stayed in the barn almost constantly.  But the cow poop was so heavy that it wore me out cleaning up after her.  When she started to dry up we decided to let her go to another homesteading family with a large pasture for her.  Then two friends who'd purchased ND's from us decided to sell out so we ended up in ND's again.  Fortunately we've been able to bring back in the original bloodlines we'd been blending,  from closed, clean herds.  Do you have a local breeder where you can go and assist in some kiddings?  Years ago we had a customer fly up from Southern California to do just that before her first kidding season.  Then she kept us on the phone as encouragement and back up during her first kidding.  She did fine!

    Melissa Johnson said:
    give me Nigerians anyday.  My 2 are housed in a barn room and I have been diligent in keeping the straw(hay) dry so there are only a couple of spots where the dirt underneath actually shows any "wet" spots. last year I put down a layer of coarse wood chips then straw or overripe hay.  Not this year, but has been ok.  All I know is the bigger the animal, the more they eat, the more they poop and pee.  here in Oregon, you can sell raw milk off the "farm" but you cant advertise.  Yeah, if you work full time, nothing I would really want to do before work, however, God willing, if I EVER do get hired again, I will be doing just that.  My does are bred this year for the first time.  I'm excited AND a little concerned like oh my gosh - what have I done. LOL.
    Julie Quilligan said:
    We're in Southern Idaho.  High, flat desert mesa so nothing stops the wind chill!  I sure wish we could find raw cow's milk for .50 per gallon now.  I'd be making butter again!  I miss our house cow, but she was just too hard to take care of as opposed to the ND's.  Here in Idaho they've just passed some great new raw milk laws, allowing small cow and goat farmers to sell to consumers.  But there's too many consumers and not enough farmers providing it currently!

    Melissa Johnson said:

    no happy face needed.  I need to focus on what is "right" about my goats, instead of what could go wrong!  Right, Deborah? ^^

    We used to buy raw cow's milk when I was a kid $.50 a gallon.  ^^ It was wonderful, she would milk while we waited sometimes and then would come in and strain it through a thick dishcloth.  We never thought about those sorts of things....... and the warm milk tasted heavenly..... ^^ what state are you in Julie?  btw no sunshine today, and between me and the goats we ate all the Ginger Snaps yesterday, so even they knew there was no sun. -(  LOL.

    Julie Quilligan said:

    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Melissa Johnson January 22, 2011 at 10:31pm
    give me Nigerians anyday.  My 2 are housed in a barn room and I have been diligent in keeping the straw(hay) dry so there are only a couple of spots where the dirt underneath actually shows any "wet" spots. last year I put down a layer of coarse wood chips then straw or overripe hay.  Not this year, but has been ok.  All I know is the bigger the animal, the more they eat, the more they poop and pee.  here in Oregon, you can sell raw milk off the "farm" but you cant advertise.  Yeah, if you work full time, nothing I would really want to do before work, however, God willing, if I EVER do get hired again, I will be doing just that.  My does are bred this year for the first time.  I'm excited AND a little concerned like oh my gosh - what have I done. LOL.
    Julie Quilligan said:
    We're in Southern Idaho.  High, flat desert mesa so nothing stops the wind chill!  I sure wish we could find raw cow's milk for .50 per gallon now.  I'd be making butter again!  I miss our house cow, but she was just too hard to take care of as opposed to the ND's.  Here in Idaho they've just passed some great new raw milk laws, allowing small cow and goat farmers to sell to consumers.  But there's too many consumers and not enough farmers providing it currently!

    Melissa Johnson said:

    no happy face needed.  I need to focus on what is "right" about my goats, instead of what could go wrong!  Right, Deborah? ^^

    We used to buy raw cow's milk when I was a kid $.50 a gallon.  ^^ It was wonderful, she would milk while we waited sometimes and then would come in and strain it through a thick dishcloth.  We never thought about those sorts of things....... and the warm milk tasted heavenly..... ^^ what state are you in Julie?  btw no sunshine today, and between me and the goats we ate all the Ginger Snaps yesterday, so even they knew there was no sun. -(  LOL.

    Julie Quilligan said:

    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Julie Quilligan January 22, 2011 at 10:23pm
    We're in Southern Idaho.  High, flat desert mesa so nothing stops the wind chill!  I sure wish we could find raw cow's milk for .50 per gallon now.  I'd be making butter again!  I miss our house cow, but she was just too hard to take care of as opposed to the ND's.  Here in Idaho they've just passed some great new raw milk laws, allowing small cow and goat farmers to sell to consumers.  But there's too many consumers and not enough farmers providing it currently!

    Melissa Johnson said:

    no happy face needed.  I need to focus on what is "right" about my goats, instead of what could go wrong!  Right, Deborah? ^^

    We used to buy raw cow's milk when I was a kid $.50 a gallon.  ^^ It was wonderful, she would milk while we waited sometimes and then would come in and strain it through a thick dishcloth.  We never thought about those sorts of things....... and the warm milk tasted heavenly..... ^^ what state are you in Julie?  btw no sunshine today, and between me and the goats we ate all the Ginger Snaps yesterday, so even they knew there was no sun. -(  LOL.

    Julie Quilligan said:

    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Melissa Johnson January 22, 2011 at 9:28pm

    no happy face needed.  I need to focus on what is "right" about my goats, instead of what could go wrong!  Right, Deborah? ^^

    We used to buy raw cow's milk when I was a kid $.50 a gallon.  ^^ It was wonderful, she would milk while we waited sometimes and then would come in and strain it through a thick dishcloth.  We never thought about those sorts of things....... and the warm milk tasted heavenly..... ^^ what state are you in Julie?  btw no sunshine today, and between me and the goats we ate all the Ginger Snaps yesterday, so even they knew there was no sun. -(  LOL.

    Julie Quilligan said:

    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Julie Quilligan January 22, 2011 at 2:47pm
    I should have put a 'happy face' on the end of that post, so sorry!   As a family who's been in and around the medical practice most of our lives (there are seven physicians in the immediate family, two in R&D) please just know that we have a high fear factor in regards to the raw milk we consume.   Just sharing another point of view.  Enjoy the sunshine! 

    Melissa Johnson said:
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Melissa Johnson January 22, 2011 at 1:58pm
    Wow, now I may regret having started this post.  So, on that note, I am going out to the barn and pretend the sun is shining in Eugene, OR.  lol.  As long as I take 2 Ginger Snaps, my goats will act like it is.  ^^

    Julie Quilligan said:
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Julie Quilligan January 22, 2011 at 1:56pm
    DH was in medical practice back when HIV was in the early research phase, we both remember being informed by the medical community of quite a few 'facts' that in later research turned out to be false.   We did lose patients unfortunately  to this nasty disease.   That's stuck in our minds over the years and we certainly don't want to knowingly consume a retrovirus in our raw milk, no matter what the research is currently showing.  Supposedly some HIV research has pointed towards monkeys as the original hosts...

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

  • Melissa Johnson January 22, 2011 at 1:39pm
    you would think there would be a vaccine

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Here's the Washington State page on CAE:

    http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts_waddl/caefaq.aspx

    They say that there is no evidence that it can be transmitted to humans, which I would say makes sense. Sheep are the only other animals that can get it, and it's called OPP in them. It doesn't even transmit to cows, which are also ruminants.

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