Hello!
Barperpole worms were found in our doe 2 weeks ago. She was prescribed panacur and then more panacer a week later by our vet. We have been supplementing with red cell, vitamin B, nutri drench and probios. Her eyelids are still a pale pink and her milk supply is very low. She does have an almost 7 week old buckling she is nursing. Our vet is recommending another round of panacur but I have heard that panacur doesn’t do much?
Thoughts? How long does it take to see improvement in milk supply? She doesn’t eat much of her hay but enjoys browse if available and eats up her grain quickly.
Thank you!!
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I typed out a big ole' response to this yesterday but do not see it here =( Here goes again! I broke it down into sections to answer for you.
*She was given 10cc for the first dose and 5.5cc for the second dose. Is it safe to assume that she still has worms?--- I should have asked how much she weighs also. That is a pretty big dose for a nigerian (if that is the breed) but it is also a dose like my vet recommends- LOL! The only way to know if the dewormer was effective (aside from watching for gradual improvement) is to repeat the egg count. That is done 10-14 days after the dewormer is given, and will tell you how effective it was when compared to the first count.
How quickly should her milk supply pick up if the deworming is effective?--- her milk supply will slowly increase as her anemia corrects. I had a first freshener get hit hard with a very heavy worm load this year and it took about 3-4 weeks for her to get back to full production. It was pretty shocking how much she decreased in volume, so I backed off of milking to let her triplets have all she was making and supplemented them as well. I would definately be weighing her buckling to be sure he is still gaining well. Nigerians will gain about 4 oz a day and larger breeds about 6.
*I already have an additional 5.5cc of panacur and a lot of Valbazen. Could I give one of those with either Ivomec or Cydectin? --- If you feel the need to deworm her again, I would use the Valbazen (which is basically super panacur) and Cydectin Sheep Drench. That is a common combination dewormer. You really need to have an accurate weight and deworm with the amounts given on the chart that I sent you.
*I believe both the Ivomec and Cydectin have a 19-20 milk withdrawal period? --- use the longest withdrawal time from the dewormers administered. Yes- Cydectin Sheep Drench is 19 days and Ivomec is 20 days. Valbazen is 10 days.
*Do you know if the milk can be given to pigs during that time?--- Unfortunately I am not familiar with dewormer withdrawal for pigs, or the safety in them ingesting dewormers meant for cattle/sheep. I tend to err on the side of caution and dump milk during withdrawal periods.
*Where should we put her if we remove her from grazing? We have an old barn with a dirt floor (we currently have a lot of straw on it for her) but it gets dirty quickly with her goat berries and urine. Some rain also gets in.--- the barn should work just fine! That's where I keep mine that need to be off pasture. Be sure there is plenty of ventilation and to top off the straw daily to keep her buckling from being exposed to large numbers of coccidia from accumulating poo. Especially if that area gets wet at all. I would also consider adding alfalfa hay to her diet (if not already.) This will give her a nutritional boost to draw off of for milk production while she is also working to rebuild her blood stores.
Thank you for your response! She was given 10cc for the first dose and 5.5cc for the second dose. Is it safe to assume that she still has worms? How quickly should her milk supply pick up if the deworming is effective?
I already have an additional 5.5cc of panacur and a lot of Valbazen. Could I give one of those with either Ivomec or Cydectin? I believe both the Ivomec and Cydectin have a 19-20 milk withdrawal period? Do you know if the milk can be given to pigs during that time?
Where should we put her if we remove her from grazing? We have an old barn with a dirt floor (we currently have a lot of straw on it for her) but it gets dirty quickly with her goat berries and urine. Some rain also gets in.
Panacur (same as Safeguard) can be effective as long as it is dosed correctly and you do not have a resistance to it on your property. Do you know how much was given? Also- there is no need to dose 7 days apart. That is an old practice that does not apply to goats, because we now know that 1) worm eggs do not hatch inside the goat and 2) the second dose does nothing more than expose newly consumed larva to the dewormer, expedited resistance on your property. What I would do at this point is
1) Dose her with dewormers from 2 different classes with the CORRECT dosage of each. Do not mix them together- give them one after the other, and on an empty stomach if possible. 2) Remove her from grazing for at least 2 weeks. This is why: it is very hard for a goat to recover from anemia in general, but the demand of making milk is asking even more on her body. So we help her by preventing ingestion of new worm larva after the treatment. Newly ingested larva (consumed during grazing) start drinking blood right away. If she is not on pasture, she can focus on replenishing her blood supply without new vampires constantly being added! I typically return my goats to grazing when they have reached a 3 FAMACHA score.
I use Safeguard for Goats and Cydectin Oral Sheep Drench for combination dewormer on my farm. They are both usually easy to find at your local farm supply store. I have attached a chart with correct dosage of these dewormers. Do Not use Panacur paste or anything designed for horses.
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Hi Melissa!
I typed out a big ole' response to this yesterday but do not see it here =( Here goes again! I broke it down into sections to answer for you.
*She was given 10cc for the first dose and 5.5cc for the second dose. Is it safe to assume that she still has worms?--- I should have asked how much she weighs also. That is a pretty big dose for a nigerian (if that is the breed) but it is also a dose like my vet recommends- LOL! The only way to know if the dewormer was effective (aside from watching for gradual improvement) is to repeat the egg count. That is done 10-14 days after the dewormer is given, and will tell you how effective it was when compared to the first count.
How quickly should her milk supply pick up if the deworming is effective?--- her milk supply will slowly increase as her anemia corrects. I had a first freshener get hit hard with a very heavy worm load this year and it took about 3-4 weeks for her to get back to full production. It was pretty shocking how much she decreased in volume, so I backed off of milking to let her triplets have all she was making and supplemented them as well. I would definately be weighing her buckling to be sure he is still gaining well. Nigerians will gain about 4 oz a day and larger breeds about 6.
*I already have an additional 5.5cc of panacur and a lot of Valbazen. Could I give one of those with either Ivomec or Cydectin? --- If you feel the need to deworm her again, I would use the Valbazen (which is basically super panacur) and Cydectin Sheep Drench. That is a common combination dewormer. You really need to have an accurate weight and deworm with the amounts given on the chart that I sent you.
*I believe both the Ivomec and Cydectin have a 19-20 milk withdrawal period? --- use the longest withdrawal time from the dewormers administered. Yes- Cydectin Sheep Drench is 19 days and Ivomec is 20 days. Valbazen is 10 days.
*Do you know if the milk can be given to pigs during that time?--- Unfortunately I am not familiar with dewormer withdrawal for pigs, or the safety in them ingesting dewormers meant for cattle/sheep. I tend to err on the side of caution and dump milk during withdrawal periods.
*Where should we put her if we remove her from grazing? We have an old barn with a dirt floor (we currently have a lot of straw on it for her) but it gets dirty quickly with her goat berries and urine. Some rain also gets in.--- the barn should work just fine! That's where I keep mine that need to be off pasture. Be sure there is plenty of ventilation and to top off the straw daily to keep her buckling from being exposed to large numbers of coccidia from accumulating poo. Especially if that area gets wet at all. I would also consider adding alfalfa hay to her diet (if not already.) This will give her a nutritional boost to draw off of for milk production while she is also working to rebuild her blood stores.
Please keep us posted!
Tammy
Thank you for your response! She was given 10cc for the first dose and 5.5cc for the second dose. Is it safe to assume that she still has worms? How quickly should her milk supply pick up if the deworming is effective?
I already have an additional 5.5cc of panacur and a lot of Valbazen. Could I give one of those with either Ivomec or Cydectin? I believe both the Ivomec and Cydectin have a 19-20 milk withdrawal period? Do you know if the milk can be given to pigs during that time?
Where should we put her if we remove her from grazing? We have an old barn with a dirt floor (we currently have a lot of straw on it for her) but it gets dirty quickly with her goat berries and urine. Some rain also gets in.
Thank you for your help!
-Melissa
Hi Melissa
Panacur (same as Safeguard) can be effective as long as it is dosed correctly and you do not have a resistance to it on your property. Do you know how much was given? Also- there is no need to dose 7 days apart. That is an old practice that does not apply to goats, because we now know that 1) worm eggs do not hatch inside the goat and 2) the second dose does nothing more than expose newly consumed larva to the dewormer, expedited resistance on your property.
What I would do at this point is
1) Dose her with dewormers from 2 different classes with the CORRECT dosage of each. Do not mix them together- give them one after the other, and on an empty stomach if possible.
2) Remove her from grazing for at least 2 weeks. This is why: it is very hard for a goat to recover from anemia in general, but the demand of making milk is asking even more on her body. So we help her by preventing ingestion of new worm larva after the treatment. Newly ingested larva (consumed during grazing) start drinking blood right away. If she is not on pasture, she can focus on replenishing her blood supply without new vampires constantly being added! I typically return my goats to grazing when they have reached a 3 FAMACHA score.
I use Safeguard for Goats and Cydectin Oral Sheep Drench for combination dewormer on my farm. They are both usually easy to find at your local farm supply store. I have attached a chart with correct dosage of these dewormers. Do Not use Panacur paste or anything designed for horses.
https://60f7303d-ac52-4cac-b7fb-6050f500b0b6.filesusr.com/ugd/6ef60...