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  • Melissa Johnson May 12, 2011 at 1:44pm
    i think once the kids are done for good - I will have much better luck - maybe.  And once she sees I am just as determined to milk her, as she is not to be milked - we might come to a mutual agreement - maybe. ^^ lol

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:
    When it comes to personality, some goats respond differently to different people. Some just hate showing. I have one that was a bottle baby, and the second you touch her collar -- even now at age 7 -- she throws her chest to the ground and drags her front end, which is NOT going to win you any points in the show ring. But she's an angel on the milkstand, and if she ever sees me sitting on the ground, she wants to get in my lap. Some goats don't want to be milked when they are nursing kids, because they want to save their milk for the kids, but they usually give up once they know they can't win. We sold three or four goats the first few years because they never calmed down on the milkstand, but we haven't had any problems for a long time. So, either we've culled all the bad milker personalities, or we've just gotten better at milking. Perhaps a bit of both?

    Kimberly Martin said:

    That's it, Deborah! I don't know how significant this fault is, so I'd like to see photos to compare.

     

    Maybe Deborah can tell me if I'm really messing up with this issue. Both of ours were sold to us for being a bit obstinate. Accuracy is fine a few minutes after starting, but pitches a fit at first. She is an alpha girl. So, for now I wait until DH can assist with trimming, or will be milking, etc. One of us uses a beach towel sling under the chest to keep her upright until she calms down. The other doe is a cutie, but her issue was much the same. She's really taken to us though, so maybe a few sessions to let them know we mean no harm, but we're boss?

  • Deborah Niemann-Boehle May 11, 2011 at 10:41pm
    When it comes to personality, some goats respond differently to different people. Some just hate showing. I have one that was a bottle baby, and the second you touch her collar -- even now at age 7 -- she throws her chest to the ground and drags her front end, which is NOT going to win you any points in the show ring. But she's an angel on the milkstand, and if she ever sees me sitting on the ground, she wants to get in my lap. Some goats don't want to be milked when they are nursing kids, because they want to save their milk for the kids, but they usually give up once they know they can't win. We sold three or four goats the first few years because they never calmed down on the milkstand, but we haven't had any problems for a long time. So, either we've culled all the bad milker personalities, or we've just gotten better at milking. Perhaps a bit of both?

    Kimberly Martin said:

    That's it, Deborah! I don't know how significant this fault is, so I'd like to see photos to compare.

     

    Maybe Deborah can tell me if I'm really messing up with this issue. Both of ours were sold to us for being a bit obstinate. Accuracy is fine a few minutes after starting, but pitches a fit at first. She is an alpha girl. So, for now I wait until DH can assist with trimming, or will be milking, etc. One of us uses a beach towel sling under the chest to keep her upright until she calms down. The other doe is a cutie, but her issue was much the same. She's really taken to us though, so maybe a few sessions to let them know we mean no harm, but we're boss?

  • Kimberly Martin May 11, 2011 at 1:23pm
    Oh, and I check the baby rears several times a day (Mom is doing great). Little Miss Priss (Oakmarsh B True Mahogany=Maggie) is getting her entire back half handled daily, particularly where her udder will one day be!
  • Kimberly Martin May 11, 2011 at 1:02pm

    That's it, Deborah! I don't know how significant this fault is, so I'd like to see photos to compare.

     

    Maybe Deborah can tell me if I'm really messing up with this issue. Both of ours were sold to us for being a bit obstinate. Accuracy is fine a few minutes after starting, but pitches a fit at first. She is an alpha girl. So, for now I wait until DH can assist with trimming, or will be milking, etc. One of us uses a beach towel sling under the chest to keep her upright until she calms down. The other doe is a cutie, but her issue was much the same. She's really taken to us though, so maybe a few sessions to let them know we mean no harm, but we're boss?

  • Melissa Johnson May 11, 2011 at 12:15pm
    my ff is still wrestling with me when I try to milk - urgggg, she lies down on the stand - long enough to get the udder containmenated so I have to start over again - the other day she figured out when I dry her and sit back down - time to lie down again and we start all over...... ish!
  • Deborah Niemann-Boehle May 11, 2011 at 9:34am
    Okay, if her breeder said something like "her rear udder attachment could be better," that nothing to worry about. Reputable breeders try to point out weaknesses in animals we sell, because no goat is perfect. I have a finished champion that has ugly front feet.

    Kimberly Martin said:

    Oh no, that's her other grand dame a Rosasharn from Tiger Lily. I'll just have to be patient until Accuracy is in full production and full to see how weak her rear attachment is. While that is her fault, she was sold to me because she was a pill in the show ring. She still got a reserve GC, and came in 3rd at our state fair this year. So, maybe it's not horrible..we'll see!

    Oddly, she's leading like a dream with me after being there for the birth? Keeping my fingers crossed that it continues...

  • Kimberly Martin May 11, 2011 at 6:45am

    Oh no, that's her other grand dame a Rosasharn from Tiger Lily. I'll just have to be patient until Accuracy is in full production and full to see how weak her rear attachment is. While that is her fault, she was sold to me because she was a pill in the show ring. She still got a reserve GC, and came in 3rd at our state fair this year. So, maybe it's not horrible..we'll see!

    Oddly, she's leading like a dream with me after being there for the birth? Keeping my fingers crossed that it continues...

  • Deborah Niemann-Boehle May 10, 2011 at 6:41pm

    That's Accuracy? The only thing I'd say about her rear udder from that photo is that it could be wider at the top so that it looks like an upside U rather than an upside down V.


    *S means his dam and his sire's dam have their milk stars.

     

    Kimberly Martin said:

    One more udder on Accuracy's side...to compare attachment issues...

     

    http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Oakmarsh/LaceyRV6_06.jpg

     

    Also, the kids sire has a *S to go with his show MCH, I'm not clear on buck stars. Does that mean one of his daughters has a milk star?

  • Kimberly Martin May 10, 2011 at 6:03pm

    One more udder on Accuracy's side...to compare attachment issues...

     

    http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Oakmarsh/LaceyRV6_06.jpg

     

    Also, the kids sire has a *S to go with his show MCH, I'm not clear on buck stars. Does that mean one of his daughters has a milk star?

  • Deborah Niemann-Boehle May 10, 2011 at 5:38pm
    It's hard to say much from those pictures, but they don't look horrible. I have seen much worse. Her dam is pretty. Her rear udder is not very impressive in that photo, but it could be because it was small (first freshener) or it wasn't full. If you can't talk to the person who took the picture, it's tough to say much about it.

    Kimberly Martin said:

    I found some photos of Accuracy's female lines udders to compare her with. Her granddame on one side was the 2005 breed leader milk production on a one day test.

    http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Oakmarsh/EmmasUdder05.jpg

    Her dame was the 2005 AGS Nat'l show Grand Champion Jr. Doe, but I  only found a photo of her from the sideas a FF.

    http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l538/Oakmarsh/MetronomeRS7_06.jpg

     

    Accuracy only has one other daughter on the ground who hasn't freshened yet from this buck. We chose him because his mother was ARMCH with *D E. I'm hoping this wee girl does well. Can you tell if the udders on these does have a poor attachment?

     

     

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