Lots of Beginner Questions!

Hi everyone!

We recently moved out in to the country and have dreams of milking goats and making goat cheese, butter, ice cream, soap...

The place we have came with two male pygmy goats...obviously not getting any milk out of those guys ;) but I'm curious about what will happen if we add Nigerian Dwarf Does to the herd? Would their offspring still make good milk or would it be better to find new homes for the pygmies and only have Nigernians?

We have just one pasture with no way to separate the two kinds of goats...

Also, how long after kidding does a doe produce milk? What impacts the taste of that milk (obviously feed, but..any special kind of feed we should get? Water? Right now the goats only drink from a pond...)

Thanks so much for helping!
Candace

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  • Hi! We live in Richmond, KY. We have two registered (doe) Nigerian dwarf goats that are due between October and November. Our farm is: www.sycamorespringsfarm.com If you are interested in purchasing a doeling let me know. We also have one Nigerian Dwarf goat that is not registered, that is due around that time. Our goats have strong family dairy lines.
  • THANK you so much for all that info! I will check out the archives! :)

    That makes sense about the water; I only want fresh, clean water to drink, too :)

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:
    Here are a couple more places to find Nigerian breeders:
    http://www.americangoatsociety.com/online/member_websites.php
    http://www.andda.org/breeders.html

    I would definitely get rid of the pygmies, because they're not raised for milk production, so their daughters would probably make less milk than their mothers. You would be breeding down, which is the opposite of what you want to do. You want daughters that will be better than the parents.

    You should get loose goat minerals. A salt block is not really necessary, especially if you have the loose minerals and baking soda. The baking soda just helps keep the ph in their rumen balanced, so they don't get bloat, as Adrienne said. You want loose minerals, because goats have a soft tongue, so they don't usually get enough off of a block unless it's a poured block in a tub, which has molasses in it.

    How long does a goat produce milk? This is where genetics comes into play. A pygmy might produce milk for six months. A well-bred Nigerian can produce milk for a year or longer. I have one right now who is still making a quart a day after a year.

    Milkers should always have access to fresh, clean water. They won't drink as much if it's not a clean bucket, and if they don't drink water, they don't make much milk. We've learned that we need to keep two or three buckets in with our milkers overnight, because if one of them poops in a bucket, they won't drink it. I've also found that even if a bucket of water looks clean, they won't drink much unless I give them fresh water every day. It's amazing how picky they can be about their water!

    "Personal Milkers" is a great book, and the author is also the publisher of Ruminations magazine, which has a group on here. It always has good articles in it. It's the only magazine devoted to Nigerians. There is a lot of great info in our forum archives, so check it out.
  • Here are a couple more places to find Nigerian breeders:
    http://www.americangoatsociety.com/online/member_websites.php
    http://www.andda.org/breeders.html

    I would definitely get rid of the pygmies, because they're not raised for milk production, so their daughters would probably make less milk than their mothers. You would be breeding down, which is the opposite of what you want to do. You want daughters that will be better than the parents.

    You should get loose goat minerals. A salt block is not really necessary, especially if you have the loose minerals and baking soda. The baking soda just helps keep the ph in their rumen balanced, so they don't get bloat, as Adrienne said. You want loose minerals, because goats have a soft tongue, so they don't usually get enough off of a block unless it's a poured block in a tub, which has molasses in it.

    How long does a goat produce milk? This is where genetics comes into play. A pygmy might produce milk for six months. A well-bred Nigerian can produce milk for a year or longer. I have one right now who is still making a quart a day after a year.

    Milkers should always have access to fresh, clean water. They won't drink as much if it's not a clean bucket, and if they don't drink water, they don't make much milk. We've learned that we need to keep two or three buckets in with our milkers overnight, because if one of them poops in a bucket, they won't drink it. I've also found that even if a bucket of water looks clean, they won't drink much unless I give them fresh water every day. It's amazing how picky they can be about their water!

    "Personal Milkers" is a great book, and the author is also the publisher of Ruminations magazine, which has a group on here. It always has good articles in it. It's the only magazine devoted to Nigerians. There is a lot of great info in our forum archives, so check it out.
  • that is SO HELPFUL! Thank you! I'm going to start looking for breeders now!

    Adrienne said:
    This should help you find a breeder: http://www.ndga.org/state.asp My mentor suggested it to me and that is how I found my bucklings.

    Candace Baltz-Smylie said:
    ooh! Thanks for the book suggestion! And the advice about the pygmies and dwarfs... I have no clue how to go about tracking down a Nigerian breeder...we're in central Kentucky, about an hour south of Louisville...I'm planning to go to the state fair and talk to the 4-H kids about it next month but otherwise I have just no clue where to start. This board is a godsend! :)

    Jane Wagman said:
    Since you want milk, I'd sell the pygmy bucks and start fresh with an all Nigerian herd.

    If you find a breeder near you that is willing to do buck service (more likely if you buy your does from them) then you won't even need a buck to start with. Although in my experience, if you have the room you will eventually want a couple of your own. (Just as cheap to feed two bucks as it is a buck and a wether and it gives you more breeding options.)

    "Personal Milkers" is a really good book on Nigerians and the only one that I know of that is specifically about Niggies. It covers pretty much everything you need to know to buy and care for them.
  • This should help you find a breeder: http://www.ndga.org/state.asp My mentor suggested it to me and that is how I found my bucklings.

    Candace Baltz-Smylie said:
    ooh! Thanks for the book suggestion! And the advice about the pygmies and dwarfs... I have no clue how to go about tracking down a Nigerian breeder...we're in central Kentucky, about an hour south of Louisville...I'm planning to go to the state fair and talk to the 4-H kids about it next month but otherwise I have just no clue where to start. This board is a godsend! :)

    Jane Wagman said:
    Since you want milk, I'd sell the pygmy bucks and start fresh with an all Nigerian herd.

    If you find a breeder near you that is willing to do buck service (more likely if you buy your does from them) then you won't even need a buck to start with. Although in my experience, if you have the room you will eventually want a couple of your own. (Just as cheap to feed two bucks as it is a buck and a wether and it gives you more breeding options.)

    "Personal Milkers" is a really good book on Nigerians and the only one that I know of that is specifically about Niggies. It covers pretty much everything you need to know to buy and care for them.
  • The vet told me I should give it to them. Apparently it can help prevent bloat.

    Candace Baltz-Smylie said:
    thanks so much for all this info! They do have a salt lick...and they pasture graze but also eat some goat food from the feed store...baking soda? What is that for?

    Learning so much! :) thanks!!
    Candace

    Adrienne said:
    Hi Candace! I think that the pigmys and Nigerians will get along fine as a herd. You could breed them if you want to sell as pets, I am not sure how the milk production would be, but I personally don't imagine it would be particularly good. But wait for the others to respond on that, as they may have more experience. With only the one pasture, you might consider using cattle panels as pens that you can move around. This way you can keep boys and girls separate so that you can control breeding. If you keep bucks and does together the milk won't taste very good, because the bucks smell gets on them. My goats drink from a small bucket I fill up every day. When I get more goats I will need more buckets and bigger ones. Your goats would probably benefit from goat minerals, salt and baking soda. you can buy the salt and minerals n huge blocks or loose from the feed store. I have read that it is acceptable to separate mom and babies at night after two weeks, so that you could milk in the morning and give the babies the rest. If you chose to bottle raise I believe it is a different ball game. Someone else with more experience will probably be able to tell you more about feeds Than I can. I hope it is helpful.
  • ooh! Thanks for the book suggestion! And the advice about the pygmies and dwarfs... I have no clue how to go about tracking down a Nigerian breeder...we're in central Kentucky, about an hour south of Louisville...I'm planning to go to the state fair and talk to the 4-H kids about it next month but otherwise I have just no clue where to start. This board is a godsend! :)

    Jane Wagman said:
    Since you want milk, I'd sell the pygmy bucks and start fresh with an all Nigerian herd.

    If you find a breeder near you that is willing to do buck service (more likely if you buy your does from them) then you won't even need a buck to start with. Although in my experience, if you have the room you will eventually want a couple of your own. (Just as cheap to feed two bucks as it is a buck and a wether and it gives you more breeding options.)

    "Personal Milkers" is a really good book on Nigerians and the only one that I know of that is specifically about Niggies. It covers pretty much everything you need to know to buy and care for them.
  • Since you want milk, I'd sell the pygmy bucks and start fresh with an all Nigerian herd.

    If you find a breeder near you that is willing to do buck service (more likely if you buy your does from them) then you won't even need a buck to start with. Although in my experience, if you have the room you will eventually want a couple of your own. (Just as cheap to feed two bucks as it is a buck and a wether and it gives you more breeding options.)

    "Personal Milkers" is a really good book on Nigerians and the only one that I know of that is specifically about Niggies. It covers pretty much everything you need to know to buy and care for them.
  • thanks so much for all this info! They do have a salt lick...and they pasture graze but also eat some goat food from the feed store...baking soda? What is that for?

    Learning so much! :) thanks!!
    Candace

    Adrienne said:
    Hi Candace! I think that the pigmys and Nigerians will get along fine as a herd. You could breed them if you want to sell as pets, I am not sure how the milk production would be, but I personally don't imagine it would be particularly good. But wait for the others to respond on that, as they may have more experience. With only the one pasture, you might consider using cattle panels as pens that you can move around. This way you can keep boys and girls separate so that you can control breeding. If you keep bucks and does together the milk won't taste very good, because the bucks smell gets on them. My goats drink from a small bucket I fill up every day. When I get more goats I will need more buckets and bigger ones. Your goats would probably benefit from goat minerals, salt and baking soda. you can buy the salt and minerals n huge blocks or loose from the feed store. I have read that it is acceptable to separate mom and babies at night after two weeks, so that you could milk in the morning and give the babies the rest. If you chose to bottle raise I believe it is a different ball game. Someone else with more experience will probably be able to tell you more about feeds Than I can. I hope it is helpful.
  • intact...so they would mate if they were together...

    Jan said:
    Are the Pygmy boys intact or wethered?
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