can one use Kopsel if you bolus?

[Judy Asarkof]

Dumb question perhaps.

Since I'm wanting to make sure I have adequate selenium available to the goats - I have Kopsel which I just bought. I knew it had copper source in it.  IF I bolused with copper 3 weeks ago - is this OK to put in their food?  Anyone else use Kopsel?

Please forgive me - I'm a tad distracted by a sick dog - what other sources of selenium might be available. I'll be calling that mineral guy at Crystal Creek but since normally they don't eat it - I'm not necessarily worried about them getting much from the minerals per se.

Thanks!

Judy

[Deborah Niemann-Boehle]

But we still have no idea exactly how much selenium and copper are in them. Whenever I have looked up individual herb constituents in the past, they are usually pretty low, as in <1% for most vitamins and minerals. I'm not saying that this particular blend of herbs won't do something good (or bad) for your goats. I'm just saying that you can't compare it to minerals that are labeled with exactly how much selenium or copper is in them. For example, when you look at what's in kelp, the only thing it seems to have in abundance is iodine, and yet it seems to do some really good things for my goats.

BTW, where did you find that list? I looked on her website and couldn't find ingredients for it.

[Judy Asarkof]

Kopsel is a bunch of herbs it looks like -

I like the concept of using foods to supply nutrients if possible but again - this brings up the concept of the salad bar - is it better to just have each one out separately - but the amount of space that takes up is hard for many!

 

Burdock Root

Some of the constituents in Burdock include fixed and volatile oils (including a root oil, bur oil), starch, mucilage, a bitter principle, inulin, resin, tannic acid, iron, chromium, manganese, copper, zinc, B-vitamins and vitamin E.

 

Fennel

Some of Fennel’s chemical constituents include alpha-pinene, creosol, beta-carotene, essential fatty acids, amino and many other acids, choline, iron, magnesium, manganese, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, B-vitamins and vitamins C and E.

MARSHMALLOW ROOT

Marshmallow Root is rich in mucilage, paraffin, pectin, lecithin, quercetin, salicylic acid, tannins, amino acids, beta-carotene, calcium, iron, magnesium, manganese, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, zinc, vitamins B-1, B-2, B-3 and C.

Nettle

Some of the many constituents in Stinging Nettle include protein, B-vitamins and vitamins A and C, high amounts of chlorophyll, formic, caffeic and malic acids, serotonin, glucoquinones, exceptionally high amounts of iron, silica, potassium, calcium, magnesium, copper, manganese, phosphorus, selenium, sulfur, zinc, tannins, histamine, mucilage, ammonia (which causes the stinging), lecithin, lycopene, essential fatty and other acids, folate, beta-carotene and choline.

 

RASPBERRY LEAF

Some of the constituents in Red Raspberry include flavonoids, high concentrations of tannins, alpha- and beta-carotene, alkaloids (fragarine), organic acids (caffeic acid, ellagic acid, ferulic acid, etc.), geraniol, lutein, calcium, iron, magnesium, manganese, phosphorus, potassium, selenium, silicon, zinc, B-vitamins and vitamins C and E.

 

PUMPKIN SEED

Pumpkin Seeds are rich in antioxidant vitamins A, C and E, many valuable minerals (especially zinc), amino acids (including the rare amino acid called myosin and the unusual cucurbitin, which is good for worm infestations), essential fatty acids, fiber and four times the amount of beta-carotene than found in carrots. The unusual amino acid, cucurbitin, in Pumpkin Seeds is said to make the herb one of the most efficient remedies for killing intestinal parasites, including tapeworms and roundworms.

http://www.drstandley.com/herbs_ephedra.shtml

 

Brigham tea

Ephedra contains Vitamin B12 and the minerals cobalt, strontium, nickel and copper. It is considered a bronchial dilator and a decongestant. Ephedra (Brigham Tea) is closed related to adrenaline because it has some of the same properties. It contains properties that effect the blood vessles, especially the capillaries and small arteries.

 

Barberry

Barberry is high in Vitamin C and contains the minerals iron, phosphorus and manganese. Barberry is used in fevers and inflammatory conditions. When acting upon the liver Barberry has been known to cause bile to flow more easily, thereby assisting the liver in all problems. Barberry acts upon the gastro-intestinal system from the stomach to the bowels. Barberry helps to dilate blood vessels, which assists in high blood pressure conditions.

[Deborah Niemann-Boehle]

I have not used it. I personally don't like the idea of using something with unknown ingredients. There is also no information about how much copper or selenium is in it, so no one could really say whether it's dangerous or not to use it along with COWP. It takes about a month for the COWP to dissolve in the stomach, and the research says you can use COWP once a month for up to four months, if there is a heavy parasite load. So, maybe switching to another copper supplement at that point is okay? Then again, I have Sweetlix out for my goats 24/7, even after bolusing, and they've been fine. Of course, we have sulfur in our well water, meaning that our goats need a lot of copper -- and no two farms are the same. See where I mean that no one can really answer this question for you, especially without knowing anything about what is in the Kop-Sel.