Bare minimum must have list

My first kidding season is fast approaching. I am anticipating 5. I have been gathering necessities here and there as we need them, however my Hoegers list is still a mile long. Even though I know a lot of what is on it will not be recurring costs my current running total is near $1000. As you all may know from my other posts, he is a serious penny pincher... We have been going back and forth on the issue and he says we need to cut that in half and make another purchase later for the rest. I need help...What are the bare minimum must have items for kidding and milking. Include any medications we should have on hand.

Thank you for your help!

 

 

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  • No, once they show signs of a miscarriage, that's the end for the whole pregnancy. It is possible for one kid to die, but then it would stay inside for the rest of the pregnancy and be born with the rest of the kids as what people call a mummified fetus. So, it's a package deal. They're all born at once, because they're all attached to the same placenta.

    Adrienne said:

    They are still so cute! He had at least one of his does bred to Stan but she aborted two weeks ago. He was not certain about the cause. I am not sure if it could happen, but if she were pregnant with multiples could she still be pregnant?

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    That's right! I had forgotten about Sam and Stan.



    Adrienne said:

    I have read the FiasCo farms disbudding instructions, and I took my first two goats, which have since been sold to have it done at the vet at that time that was the option that made the most sense. He did a very through job Sam has no scurs and Stan only has one. His new owner tells me he acts like he's killing him when it gets trimmed, but it's over fast at least.


  • They are still so cute! He had at least one of his does bred to Stan but she aborted two weeks ago. He was not certain about the cause. I am not sure if it could happen, but if she were pregnant with multiples could she still be pregnant?

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    That's right! I had forgotten about Sam and Stan.



    Adrienne said:

    I have read the FiasCo farms disbudding instructions, and I took my first two goats, which have since been sold to have it done at the vet at that time that was the option that made the most sense. He did a very through job Sam has no scurs and Stan only has one. His new owner tells me he acts like he's killing him when it gets trimmed, but it's over fast at least.


  • That's right! I had forgotten about Sam and Stan.



    Adrienne said:

    I have read the FiasCo farms disbudding instructions, and I took my first two goats, which have since been sold to have it done at the vet at that time that was the option that made the most sense. He did a very through job Sam has no scurs and Stan only has one. His new owner tells me he acts like he's killing him when it gets trimmed, but it's over fast at least.


  • I have read the FiasCo farms disbudding instructions, and I took my first two goats, which have since been sold to have it done at the vet at that time that was the option that made the most sense. He did a very through job Sam has no scurs and Stan only has one. His new owner tells me he acts like he's killing him when it gets trimmed, but it's over fast at least.

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    I personally think you should watch someone disbud kids the first time, so consider the vet fee as an education expense. I wouldn't have said this a few years ago, but then I had a customer really have problems with disbudding. They were using the directions from Fiasco Farm, and although they seem clear to someone who knows how to disbud, I can see where someone new would have trouble figuring it out if they had never seen it done in real life. Those poor kids wound up having their heads burned three different times -- third time by us -- because the owners were just not doing it long enough, and they had trouble with their disbudding iron not being hot enough. Even if you don't want to take your kids to your mentor, ask her if you can come over and watch her disbud her own kids. That way, you just have to haul yourself over there.


    Adrienne said:

    If all 5 kids together cost $125 to disbud at the vet and the disbidding iron is $98.95 + tax  I'd say I'd have at least paid for it. I might consider making the drive to my mentor if I had a truck. The car works well for vet trips and such but it doesn't seem worth it in my opinion.  I still saved a lot of money thanks to yours, Deborah's and my mentor's suggestions and I was even able to take some of the stuff off the list I posted here, so I saved even more. David was just happy the order was under $500. In later years it should be considerably less or nothing, so I am happy. I bought these girls for milk  for us and that is what they are for. Even though it would be nice to make the feed money back, I certainly don't expect to profit from it. Aside from keeping a daughter here and there as replacements, the rest will go up for sale, and if they don't happen to sell, I would be just as happy if they all went to 4h kids or some other good home.
  • I'm glad you explained that. I was picturing you lathering up the udder with a bar of soap.

     


    Dianea Fay said:

    I do use the soap to wash the udders with. One squirt and fill the tub with water. My udders remain very soft and even with the doe who is milking now I only put udder cream on once a week just to keep her from getting chapped. I use fight bac when we are done. I do was the equipment with soap and once or twice week use bleach to clean it all good with and once a week I run vinegar through it. Just what I have been doing, not saying it right but when we helped milk dairy cows as kids we used an udder wash before hooking milker on so just continues process with my goats.


  • When I first read this, I thought you were talking about using Dial antibacterial soap on the udders, and I was thinking that that would be really harsh on their skin. I can't even use that soap on my hands, or they dry out. Then when I read it again, I'm thinking you mean that you washed your milking equipment with antibacterial soap, which made more sense.

     

    I've only wiped off udders with a wet washcloth for nine years and never had a problem, although at the very end of milking this year, I had a goat with elevated SCC count, so we'll see if she freshens with mastitis. If so, I think it's because we just started using a milking machine this past year, and we're probably not cleaning the inflations as well as we should. I've been scratching my head and thinking that they should probably be scrubbed for a full 20 seconds each, like they say you should do for hand washing to get all the germs off. Even if that doe freshens okay, the elevated SCC bothers me, and I think it has something to do with the milking machine, since that is the only thing that changed last year.


    Dianea Fay said:

    I milked over 14 goats last year with the set up I described and we had no problems. Yep we had a round of mastitis but I think that was from something I did not using dial soap -antibacterial. Make sure you wash stuff up good and you will do just fine. We looked at those lists in Hoggers and if money is not a problem then gof for it. But if you are like most folks you have not got a tone so you make do with the bare necessity and build up slowly. If you are planning to milk then you are going to need milk stand before some of the other stuff you mentioned. Find someone handy with tools and make yourself a PVC milking stand or if someone is carpenter have a cheap one made that will serve you and your goats.

    One thing you might buy and have on hand just in case is a baby bottle with premie nipple(human) kind. I found out last year the goats do very well with this nipple as opposed to the pricthard. And they are less than $3. Felt a little funny buying baby bottles when my youngest was 25 but oh well.

    Best advice is relax I worried myself to death the first year and it was nothing.  Keeping them warm and dry is the most important thing next to them eating.

  • I personally think you should watch someone disbud kids the first time, so consider the vet fee as an education expense. I wouldn't have said this a few years ago, but then I had a customer really have problems with disbudding. They were using the directions from Fiasco Farm, and although they seem clear to someone who knows how to disbud, I can see where someone new would have trouble figuring it out if they had never seen it done in real life. Those poor kids wound up having their heads burned three different times -- third time by us -- because the owners were just not doing it long enough, and they had trouble with their disbudding iron not being hot enough. Even if you don't want to take your kids to your mentor, ask her if you can come over and watch her disbud her own kids. That way, you just have to haul yourself over there.


    Adrienne said:

    If all 5 kids together cost $125 to disbud at the vet and the disbidding iron is $98.95 + tax  I'd say I'd have at least paid for it. I might consider making the drive to my mentor if I had a truck. The car works well for vet trips and such but it doesn't seem worth it in my opinion.  I still saved a lot of money thanks to yours, Deborah's and my mentor's suggestions and I was even able to take some of the stuff off the list I posted here, so I saved even more. David was just happy the order was under $500. In later years it should be considerably less or nothing, so I am happy. I bought these girls for milk  for us and that is what they are for. Even though it would be nice to make the feed money back, I certainly don't expect to profit from it. Aside from keeping a daughter here and there as replacements, the rest will go up for sale, and if they don't happen to sell, I would be just as happy if they all went to 4h kids or some other good home.
  • If all 5 kids together cost $125 to disbud at the vet and the disbidding iron is $98.95 + tax  I'd say I'd have at least paid for it. I might consider making the drive to my mentor if I had a truck. The car works well for vet trips and such but it doesn't seem worth it in my opinion.  I still saved a lot of money thanks to yours, Deborah's and my mentor's suggestions and I was even able to take some of the stuff off the list I posted here, so I saved even more. David was just happy the order was under $500. In later years it should be considerably less or nothing, so I am happy. I bought these girls for milk  for us and that is what they are for. Even though it would be nice to make the feed money back, I certainly don't expect to profit from it. Aside from keeping a daughter here and there as replacements, the rest will go up for sale, and if they don't happen to sell, I would be just as happy if they all went to 4h kids or some other good home.

    Dianea Fay said:
    Our mentors lived over 2 hours away and I still took them to them to have them disbudded. You will not pay for your disbudding iron with this years kidding. It is expensive and by the time you  itemize stuff out and do the depreciation you are loosing money. I still say drive to mentor or spend the 25 dollars and have the vet do it.  And you are talking to the bigggest tight wad around. I sold 2 wethers for $100/for the pair, the first year out of 11 kids the rest of them I still have. Not from lack of trying to sell them. I sent a ton of wethers and a couple bucks to the sale barn and again lost money when you think of feeding them. You won't get rich raising goats. Save money for things you really need , you use the disbudding iron once a year. Yes you have to tatto but I can tell you buy it locally. When you add shipping on you are not saving. Oh the freee shipping bet if you look in last years catalogue prices might of been a little cheaper.  These are my suggesstions and you have to do what you think is right but until you are sure you really like having goats and being tied down I would not invest a ton of money into this project.
  • Thank you Dianaea,

     

    We got the milk stand thing taken care of. You're right, I'm pretty close to freaking out right now. with some great suggestions here, and from my mentor I have been able to narrow the list down quite a bit...even less than half of what it was. I think I will still need the tattoo kit and the disbudding iron though. The vet charges $25 each and my mentor lives a few hours away. @ that rate I would be paying for the tool with this kidding alone.

  • I don't understand what's in the milk kit, but to cool milk down quickly, strain it into a quart canning jar and put the jar in a bucket of ice water. A milk bucket and strainer are $20-30 total, and canning jars are cheap.

     

    You don't need a dairy scale unless you are on DHIR.If you just want to weigh your milk, use a digital kitchen scale, which can also be used for canning, cheesemaking, cooking, etc. The dairy scale stays in the barn.

     

    I've never used a hobble to milk a goat. None of mine like to have their teats touched when they are not in milk.

     

    Clippers -- I only use them when disbudding, but they're not totally essential. Just do it outside so the smell of burning hair can escape. You could also trim the longest hair with scissors.

     

    The regular tip for the dehorner is fine.

     

    Make sure you get the tattoo kit with the auto release, so you don't have to peel their ears off the needles. You can just get one to start. We only had one for seven years. If you do all the herd tattoos at once, you're not saving yourself that much time by having two sets, because you have to change the individual ID tattoo for every goat anyway.

     

    I've never used Neomycin or Bloat Release. Oddly enough, my goats never get injured. If other animals get injured, I just squirt hydrogen peroxide on them to clean it and then iodine. I've never had a goat get bloat (knock on wood).

     

    Yes, you can wash the towels and re-use them.


    Adrienne said:

    There is more on the "basics" lists that I have seen but here is what I have narrowed it down to,

     

    Small milk tote $32 - My idea is to put it in the freezer until I need to put the milk in and then stick it in the fridge in hopes that it will help cool the milk down fast and then when it is good and cold at the end of the day we can put the milk into bottles for use.

     

    Milking kit: Milk pail with cover, strainer, and 200 fast flow filters $93.15

    Dairy Scale $42.95

    Hobble $16.95 - both seem rather nervous when I touch their tummy areas

    Andis adjustable trimmers $44.95- It is actually cheaper than any I have seen in stores here, and i can use it on the poodle as well...

     

    All Breed 5/16 tattoo kit- Tongs, numbers, letters, case, green and black ink $69.95

    second pair of tongs $23.45

     

    Banding tool with rings $14.85 - cheaper than all 5 feed stores here

    Rhinehart x50 dehorner regular tip $98.95 don't know if I should go ahead and get the buck tip?

    Neomycin $13.95

    Di-Methox 40% $29.95

    Bloat release $5.65

     

    Which comes to $486.75 + tax with free shipping.

    Old towels. can they be washed or do they have to be thrown away afterwards?

     

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    You need old towels to dry off kids, and in Louisiana, I'd say that's it. Up here in Illinois, I need a heat lamp for winter kidding, and if it's below zero, I'll add a heating pad and blow dryer. I'd have a bottle of Nutri-Drench on hand just in case. I use it about once every 30 or 40 kids if they're not getting up within half an hour of birth, but first I stick them under mom and try to get them to nurse, because the colostrum will do more for them than Nutri-Drench. Since most NDs don't have super long legs, kids can usually nurse without having to stand.

     

    For milking, I have stainless steel buckets, which are cheapest from Jeffers Livestock. At least, they used to be about half the price that Hoegger or Caprine charged. Haven't bought any in a while. But I know some people milk into a large margarine tub or something like that. You need a milk strainer with milk filters.

     

    I know that five or six years ago, I'd spend a couple hundred dollars to get ready for kidding every year, but I can't imagine a thousand dollars. Where did you find that list? I don't buy anything now.

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