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Banding vs. burdizzo. Which is best? what are the pros and cons? At what age should they be used?

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We've done both banding and burdizzo, as well as surgical. Here is an excerpt from my book, Raising Goats Naturally, on castration options:

http://thriftyhomesteader.com/castration-options-goat-kids/

Thank you for the question & the answer.

Planning for kids & how to deal with castration. 

Definitely leaning to Burdizzo!

Here's a blog post that I recently wrote about the Burdizzo. It also includes a video.

https://thriftyhomesteader.com/castrating-goats-and-sheep-with-a-bu...

I band my bucklings at 2 months and have nver had issues.  It is bloodless castration and painless.  Burdizzo is painful crushing the cord and it leaves the sack behind which is unsightly.  Banding removes the sack and it falls off on it's own.  Never had urinary calculi as I have observed that is a improper feeding cause.

There is a risk of tetanus with banding, and I know people who've had it happen. It's rare, but it can happen. Although you don't see blood with banding, it's not truly bloodless, which is how you can wind up with tetanus, which is a blood-borne disease. 

Every method of castration is painful. It's just a different pain, and having done all three, the Burdizzo seems to cause the least stress overall. 

I'm not sure what's unsightly about a scrotum, but what is left is a tiny, especially as the buck grows. But like beauty, ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Some people think wattles are cute, and other cut them off.

Ok,   Everyone has to choose which they think is right.  I have never had that experience with blood and as no one in my area even has experienced tetnus either. Even most of the successful breeders in northern NM don't even give CD&T due to some have had their kids die from reactions. They don't even deworm either. 

Before banding, I make sure I swab with hydrogen peroxide and swipe with 3 day antibiotic before the band goes on anyway.   None of my banding the boys has shown blood..nice and clean..never had adverse reactions and I've been doing this 10+ years.  

  I just don't like hearing them scream with the burdizzo...I just swear by banding and my buyers are happy.  BTW, registered wethers are now qualified for shows...and that scrotum is very unsightly. 

All of this is just a matter of ones opinion anyway no matter what website people choose to go to.

There is no blood at the time that you band. But when the scrotum starts to die and fall off, there are very small lesions, which is how tetanus can happen. Cleaning the scrotum at the time of banding has zero effect. It takes a few weeks for the scrotum to fall off, and during that time dirt can get into the crevice where the band is, and that's how they can get tetanus. Tetanus doesn't happen with wounds that bleed a lot. It happens with those that don't bleed much, which is why the people used to worry so much about puncture wounds, such as stepping on a rusty nail. Tetanus is not a matter of opinion. This is a well documented disease.

I'm not sure why you mentioned deworming, but since you live in a high altitude, dessert environment, that is much more like a goat's natural environment, so it's not surprising that you don't have parasite problems. I was talking to a vet in Colorado, and she said that they've had goats come there that were half dead from parasites in other parts of the country, and they do great in Colorado. Good management is still important, but people in that part of the country don't have the same problems as people in the east.

I have personally as a human had cuts with rusty nails and nothing...  It is precautions not absolutes where I find some forums always say absolutes... I go on experience... But again, I'm not gonna argue the point you feel your way and others feel their way..

I never said that all kids get tetanus when banded, but it has happened to a small percentage. I don't know why you think I'm saying anything is absolute. I said that people used to worry about rusty nails -- not that everyone gets tetanus from stepping on them. 


Trish said:

I have personally as a human had cuts with rusty nails and nothing...  It is precautions not absolutes where I find some forums always say absolutes... I go on experience... But again, I'm not gonna argue the point you feel your way and others feel their way..

Last year I banded, and ended up with one kid having an area under the band becoming an open sore. It was like the band was cutting into his skin because of tightness and friction. I felt terrible watching it become puffy and slightly infected. I cleaned it twice a day until it healed, but it was worrisome and couldn't have felt good either.

This year I used an emasculatome. While it was tougher in the moment (took longer and yes, the kids screamed), I felt confident that they wouldn't experience frightening infections.
Just curious Trish, do you disbud? I know you said your aversion was to the screaming which I know is upsetting in the moment though it’s fast and done instead of waiting for the scrotum to die and fall off. But if you do disbud how do you justify the need for that screaming?

Yes m'am I surely do disbud... one gets immune to it.  My doelings don't make too much noise the bucklings are the crybabies.  My aversion is NOT to the screaming as I've seen people use the burdizzo and it's very painful for the goat and I've seen them behave like it hurts afterwards.  So far I have not seen any bad reactions after banding.  My bucklings after I band act like it never happened and that is the feedback I get from my buyers as well.  I solved the disbudding smell by putting baking soda on the buds after the antiseptic and it helps the smell. People think that's crazy, but it works..
  As I mentioned..everyone has an opinion and people believe what they wish.


Maggie said:

Just curious Trish, do you disbud? I know you said your aversion was to the screaming which I know is upsetting in the moment though it’s fast and done instead of waiting for the scrotum to die and fall off. But if you do disbud how do you justify the need for that screaming?

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