Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats

for people who love the littlest dairy goats

Deborah Niemann-Boehle
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  • Cornell, IL
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Tiffani Wilson's discussion Registration question NDGA vs. the other two
"A few years ago someone on here was able to register kids with AGS in this situation, but she had to register the goats between the registered goats and her goat. I don't know if ADGA will do that. AGS was the original dairy goat registry that…"
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Tiffani Wilson's discussion Thin goat
"You will normally see an improvement in the coat within 2 weeks when you give a copper bolus, so that's good news. Copper can also help with intestinal parasites. You should see an improvement in the eyelid color within a couple of days.…"
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to kristen leu's discussion lopsided udder in doeling
"Could it be a bug bite? It doesn't sound like anything serious."
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Kate Riggs's discussion Sucessful kidding!!! Baby with a floppy leg.
"Excellent! Thanks for updating us!"
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to kristen leu's discussion lopsided udder in doeling
"If she's never been bred, she shouldn't have an udder at all. If she does, it's a precocious udder, and the general advice to just leave it alone. Once she has kids, assuming they nurse equally on both sides, it should be fine."
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Theresa Bove's discussion Weeping, sticky eyes.
"Good point, Julianne. Most people don't wether bucks until they're two months old because of the risk of urinary calculi."
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Theresa Bove's discussion Weeping, sticky eyes.
"Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you've written, but you really should not wean kids before they are two months old at the earliest. Some prefer to let kids nurse for 3-4 months. In fact, I don't wean wethers and does until they are…"
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Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Theresa Bove's discussion Fixing a wet and muddy pen.
"Can you add gravel or straw to at least a section of their area?"
Thursday
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to James Tinker's discussion When a doe starts coming into heat
"The ones that I had that went into heat at 3 months did not come back into heat again until 6-7 months, and they were with their mothers. I wonder if it's just sort of a misfire of the reproductive system -- like a pullet laying a double yolk."
Tuesday
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to James Tinker's discussion When a doe starts coming into heat
"I have had two or three does that came into heat at 3 months, but that is definitely not the norm. As others have said, 6-7 months is more normal. The does that came into heat at 3 months were all related, so it's probably something that is…"
Jun 28
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Judy H's discussion lice treatment and milking
"If you didn't spray the does in milk, they're probably okay. At first I was thinking it was a powder, which could have easily fallen on the other goats or into the water bucket or on the hay, and therefor been consumed. But I re-read your…"
Jun 27
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Jabe Thomas's discussion Goat Fencing Questions
"I'm glad you mentioned climbing! We had a cow who tried to climb over woven wire twice. Once it was because the grass was greener on the other side of the fence, and the other time it was because we were trying to separate her from her calf.…"
Jun 27
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Judy H's discussion lice treatment and milking
"No one can give you a definitive answer to that question because it's not made for dairy animals, so it hasn't been studied.  The best and most organic treatment for lice is to simply clip the goats using a #10 blade on dog clippers,…"
Jun 27
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Jabe Thomas's discussion Goat Fencing Questions
"Barbed wire should NEVER be used with goats. It is for use with cattle and horses ONLY because they have much tougher skin. Goat skin is quite soft and can be easily damaged by barbed wire. It's not possible to put it high enough to keep the…"
Jun 26
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Tiffani Wilson's discussion Selenium choices
Jun 26
Deborah Niemann-Boehle replied to Jabe Thomas's discussion Goat Fencing Questions
"1. Both are good. 2. The closer the posts, the more support you have, so 10 feet apart is great! 3. Yes. Our goats have been with both horses and cattle, and they're fine. Assuming your horses and cattle are not wild and crazy, it should work."
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Pine bark as a dewormer

Started this discussion. Last reply by James Tinker Jun 10. 5 Replies

For those of you interested in natural remedies, check out this study on pine bark:http://www.wormx.info/#!pinebark/coo1Continue

Tags: coccidia, worms, parasites

Homesteading group on Facebook

Started this discussion. Last reply by Rachel Griebenow Mar 6. 5 Replies

If any of you are interested in extending the online conversation to homesteading topics in general, I wanted to let you know that I have a Facebook group called Thrifty Homesteading. Click on this…Continue

Goat mineral basics

Started this discussion. Last reply by Trish Mar 8. 22 Replies

Hi everyone,Since goat mineral issues come up so often, I've decided to create a post with basic mineral info. Here is a link to an excerpt from Raising Goats Naturally:…Continue

Webinars! (with a discount for group members!)

Started this discussion. Last reply by Myra Isaac Feb 3. 9 Replies

Hi everyone!I wanted to let you know that I'm going to start doing homesteading webinars! People have been asking me to do them for years, and I finally decided that I'm just going to do it! You all…Continue

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At 7:59am on April 28, 2015, Paul Badon said…

Thank You for your invitation to join here....I hope to learn and put into practice much of what I learn .

At 3:28pm on March 4, 2015, Ellen Petrick said…

I am SO excited to have found this community.  My brother got me your book as a sort of joke because I kept talking about how I wanted to move out to the country and raise goats - What Luck he picked YOUR book!  It was perfect.  I really wish I could come to your class this weekend, but I have to go to a fitness conference instead.  So I will plan to sign up for the homestead conference and the goat class labor day weekend as soon as registration opens.

At 7:42pm on September 27, 2014, M. K. said…

Rabbits are definately happier in a larger pen, although, my angoras never seemed particularly athletic.  Compared with other breeds, they sat around a lot.  I keep my rabbits in 4 foot by 8 foot wire pens set on the ground.   The walk-in pens look like little houses.  They  have tarps over the pitched roofs, and  wire floors.   The pens are all kept within the perimeter of a solar charged electronet fence for predator protection.  My charger and fence are from Premier. They are usually a good company to work with.

At 6:44pm on September 27, 2014, Myra Isaac said…
Thanks! Wow that's really sad! I recently got a Great Pyr LGD puppy to hopefully help with our predator issues. He comes from working bloodlines and both parents are guardian dogs as well as grandparents so hopefully he'll be up to the job. I want to build a hutch for my rabbits that has access to some dirt and grass. Completely enclosed with wire buried underneath it or else really deep around the edges. What did you use? I hate having her in that tiny cage even tho I know other people do it. It just seems So tiny and I don't want her to be miserable!
At 2:45pm on September 27, 2014, Myra Isaac said…
Thanks! My new girl was under the weather the other day and I was really worried about wool block. I'm making sure she has some good Timothy hay to much on if she wants now and she seems to be fine. What kind of cages or hutches did you use when you had them? I currently have a wire cage that I put a piece of ply wood in for her to sit on so it's not so hard on her feet. She really likes that board! What did you feed yours?
At 6:50pm on September 22, 2014, Myra Isaac said…
Hi Deborah, I recently purchased an angora rabbit for wool. I have your Homesteading book already but was wondering if you knew of a good Angora care/raising book? Seems like I can't find much online but I probably don't know where to look. Do you know of any good websites? I'd like to have a book with some in depth care/health info for angoras.
At 6:25pm on June 11, 2014, Dave Marschang said…

yeah I have a hell of a time on here knowing when someones replied to something

At 8:56pm on June 9, 2014, Dave Marschang said…

the lamancha doe is very gentle with ginny, and ginny actually seems to enjoy the attention. she appears to be a very gentle giant and even against the other lamancha does her threats seem pathetically gentle. and yes we do want a buck, I don't know that as beginners we need a $600 buck to start. your worst quality buck is 100 times better than the barnyard mutts we have around here so something on the cheaper side will work for us. what do you have available? you website gave me the impression all bucks were sold.

 

At 7:38pm on June 3, 2014, Dave Marschang said…

well a 6 yr old Lamancha has apparently taking a likin to Ginny, she follows her around pushing her across the stall with her head, then she will stick her head under Ginnys backend and lift her in the air. Not sure what any of that means but Ginny just stands there patiently and takes it. everyone is still doing good and Ginnys diarrhea appears to have gotten better. we have plenty of room at this farm for a buck and will be seriously looking to purchase one soon, not sure if you have any available or not but, will probably be calling soon.

At 10:00am on June 1, 2014, Dave Marschang said…

oh my god! Gertrude never shuts up! typical female......anyway thought I would let you know the girls are fitting in just fine, they get to meet the lamanchas today. Ginny has a little bit of diarrhea. we gave her probios yesterday so we will see what happens. while neither will take treats from us yet, Ginny is much more skittish than Gertrude so it makes sense to us that she would be the one with diarrhea. we don't think its anything to worry about yet.

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The next chapter

This blog post has been percolating in my head for months. It's a blog post I never wanted to write. It includes facts I don't want to be true. Many of you know I grew up as a "sickly" child, according to my mother and doctor. There was "nothing" that could be done to keep me healthy, again according to them. But in my 20s, I discovered that by adopting a diet rich in real foods, I no longer suffered from the all-too-common colds and flus and other ills that had plagued me for the first two decades of my life. I would go as long as five years without a cold and ten years without the flu.

For the past year and a half, I've become the sickly child again. At least that's how I feel as I've dealt with one health issue after another, some of which I've written about here. All along in the back of my head, I had a nagging feeling that I might have a problem with food sensitivities.  But my brain would quickly respond that's not possible! But then the other side of my brain would say, "remember back when you were a vegan, your problems with constipation went away, and every time you'd have a little piece of cheese or other dairy product, it'd come back." But the rest of my brain would just ignore that. It could NOT be true! I LOVE cheese! I write about cheesemaking. I talk about cheesemaking. I TEACH cheesemaking!

Last year when I got diagnosed with Hashimoto's, I read that the majority of people with thyroid disease have a sensitivity to wheat and gluten, and that some people have actually reversed the disease by removing gluten from their diet. I was sick and tired and desperate, so I quit eating wheat, which meant no more bread baking, which we had been doing for the past 26 years, almost daily for more than a decade. (See that pic on the right.) I LOVED bread! There are bread recipes in my books. I've taught bread baking from Washington State to Pennsylvania and Virginia, and I always felt bad when someone would ask me if I had any tips for gluten-free bread. I even said, "I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't eat bread!" It seemed a horrible fate. But after eliminating wheat from my diet, it became obvious that my body didn't like it. I'd occasionally wind up eating something with wheat in it when traveling, and the only thing that happened is that my digestive system would just shut down. Not pooping when you're traveling is not such a bad thing ... until you've gone five days!

Many aspects of my health have improved since eliminating wheat. I haven't had a cold or flu in more than a year now, I no longer have migraines, my asthma is gone, and my Hashimoto's is in remission. My antibodies were cut in half, and my hormones have remained at an ideal level. I no longer take any prescription meds. My vitamin D and vitamin B12 deficiencies have been completely corrected, and those levels are now optimal. But things weren't perfect. I still had nagging digestive issues, including constipation, motion sickness, and random nausea in the middle of the night. After seeing how my body reacted to wheat, I knew that I probably had other food sensitivities, which were wreaking havoc on my digestive system. But what?

The gold standard for figuring out food allergies is an elimination diet. I started talking about it last year and said that after the holidays I'd start. The holidays came and went, and it didn't happen. I gave a half-hearted shot at it in January, but I had one excuse after another why it wasn't a good time. Finally, in March after reading yet another book about auto-immune diseases and how food sensitivities play a major role, I started one day cold turkey. I eliminated corn, soy, dairy, eggs, peanuts, and tree nuts. After three weeks of not having any of those foods, I started to add them back into diet one by one with several days in between so that there would be no confusing which food was causing a reaction.

Of all the foods I eliminated, the only one that I've been able to add back into my diet with no problems has been peanuts. Everything else caused a reaction of some sort. Eggs was one of the worst as it caused chaos in my digestive tract, starting with nausea. I was also sleepy and dizzy and generally feeling like I'd come down with a stomach bug. It occurred to me that my motion sickness and random nausea had probably been caused by eggs all along. In fact, as I was flying into Denver last month in a rather bumpy flight, it suddenly occurred to me that I was feeling absolutely no motion sickness at all!

I could write pages and pages about this, but since March I've been keeping a food journal and writing down everything I eat and everything that happens to my body. I've tried to re-introduce most foods more than once because honestly, there isn't anything that I want to give up. Above all else, the number one thing I did NOT want to give up was dairy products. I've only tried cow milk once, and it was in the form of yogurt. It was our wonderful grassfed Jersey's milk made into yogurt, which is supposed to be easier to digest because of the probiotics, and yet it was not good. I had a smoothie made with the yogurt and didn't poop for three days. Not fun!

The goat milk did slow down my digestive system some, but not nearly as bad as the cow. This has made me very unhappy. It's not like I can just stop buying this stuff at the store! I have 14 goats out there making milk as I type. So far, this spring, all of the milk has been used to feed kids, but at some point, the kids won't need the milk any longer, and how am I going to feel about continuing to go out there and milk them every day? At the moment, my husband is actually doing almost all of the milking, but when he starts teaching again in the fall, the job will be mine again. I love my goats, but I originally got them because I loved their milk and cheese and yogurt. What will I do if those reasons no longer exist? I honestly don't know.

At this point, I've told myself that I should just continue for the next year before making any decisions. I've spent the last 13 years building a wonderful herd of milkers, and it would be tough to give that up. I am hopeful that as my body continues to heal, I will once again be able to consume their milk. Many people have been able to do that, but not everyone. I am not a patient person. I wish I knew what the future would hold for me, but I must learn patience.

That leads me to the next thing that causes health problems -- stress! Stress plays a major role in almost every disease. And we are all under stress. I constantly hear people say that they can't do anything about the stress in their lives. And I've said the same thing myself. But I've spent a good chunk of the past year reading books to help me regain my health, and it has finally sunk in ... we will all have stressful situations come into our lives every day, and we can't help that. We can, however, control how we respond to those situations. And it isn't just a matter of saying that you won't get upset when something negative happens. That just does not work.

I've learned that we have to make a conscious effort to regularly force our minds into a state of relaxation. Okay, "force" is not the right word, but it feels like that in the beginning. I've starting practicing yoga and meditation on a regular basis. I'd love to say daily, and that's the goal, but I'm not there yet. I have noticed that when I meditate daily, my response to stressful situations is much more calm -- and that's exciting!

I've also learned to take time every day to be grateful for the beauty in my life. Even when things are not going well, there are things to be grateful for. When I had car trouble last month, I sat there and thought of all the things for which to be grateful -- a tow truck was coming, I had peanuts in my purse, and so on.

I knew I'd be entering a new chapter in my life when my children left home. I also knew menopause would create some changes. But I always thought they'd be outward things, such as a new career. I never anticipated the changes within my body and mind that would have to happen. Yes, I have had my pity party, as I did not want any of these changes to happen. I thought life was perfectly wonderful over the past decade. But we have to play the hand we're dealt, and I intend to figure out how to make this next chapter the best yet.

Farewell old trailer


We bought this horse trailer in the first few months after we moved out here in 2002. It came as part of a package deal with Katherine's horse Buddy. The horse died at the ripe old age of 30 in 2008, but the trailer, which is 1970s vintage, kept rolling along .... until last week.

Mike used it to take chickens to the processor down in Arthur, which is about a two-and-a-half hour drive. When he came home, he was backing up the trailer to park it when one of the wheels fell off. Apparently the bearings self destructed. So, it will soon be going to the scrap yard.

That old trailer served us well over the last 13 years. It carried goats to goat shows, and chickens and turkeys to the processor, as well as lambs, pigs, and calves. We used it to pick up our Irish dexter cattle in Missouri and to bring home Beauty the Jersey and her calf Beau last year.

It is time for us to move on, and we'll be purchasing a bona fide livestock trailer to replace it.

The recliner -- and why you should live your dream NOW!


I haven't written a decent blog post in almost two months -- and that one was entitled "Catching Up," because I hadn't posted in a couple of weeks, during which time I had severely injured my back. And my back has now been re-injured so many times that I've lost count. It's somewhere around seven or eight. Each time I hurt it, I wind up back in the recliner because it is the only position in which I am not crying in pain.

We bought the recliner when I was pregnant with Katherine 22 years ago, and it used to hold such fond memories of nursing her as a baby and cuddling and reading to my children. Now, however, I am starting to refer to it as "that stupid recliner" and say things like, "I hate that chair!" Thankfully, my stints in the recliner are getting shorter. This last time it was only a day. Apparently I have a bulging disc in my back, and it takes the tiniest wrong movement to cause it to flare up again -- things like standing too long at a sink washing dishes. It isn't a big sudden, "Ouch!" kind of pain. It's a slow-building pain, which obviously gets worse as the disc swells more. I've discovered that icing my back after anything that could remotely cause a problem is a good idea, and I've probably avoided a few stints in the recliner by doing that. But sometimes I don't realize something is problematic until it's too late. Spending two hours sitting on the ground trying to get newborn kids to nurse proved to be a definite no-no.

Speaking of kids ... we've had five goats give birth since April 27, and three more are due within the next month. Aurora gave birth to quads the morning of April 27, and by that afternoon, I was in the recliner, which is where I stayed for almost a full two days. Since then, Mike has handled most of the birthing while I stand around taking pictures, trying to keep my back as straight as possible, not because it hurts to bend it, but because it will cause excruciating pain later, if I bend it the wrong way for too long. And that's the problem. It would be easy to not move the wrong way, if my body gave me some indication at the moment that I was doing something wrong. But it doesn't work like that. Nerve pain is quite different from muscle pain. It kind of feels like my body is giving me a pop quiz 24/7 on how to stand erect.

Part of the reason I haven't been blogging is because I haven't been able to sit in front of the computer for so many days. And when I am able to sit here, I spend hours catching up on things like email. I just updated the kidding schedule on our website so that people can see which kids are still available for sale. That was also about two months out of date.

The other reason I haven't been blogging is because I don't want to sound like I'm complaining. So, for the record, this is not a big long complaining rant. This is just the story of my life for the past two months. And there is some usable information in here. I hear a lot of people say that they are going to move to the country and start living this life when they retire. Now that I'm "older," I can say that that is really not the best plan. Two years ago, I had no idea that my body was going to have all of the problems that it has started to have. I am so glad that we moved out here 13 years ago. I had a lot of great years doing things that I loved. I don't want it to end, and I'm doing everything I can do to figure out how to continue living this life. But had we only moved out here a couple of years ago, there would probably be a "for sale" sign out front by now. If I think of all the challenges we had the first few years simply because we were new to this life -- and if you added all of my current challenges to that -- it would have been a recipe for utter failure.

I don't usually give advice on this blog, but I'm getting older, so I figure I can throw out a little advice every now and then. So, my advice is that if you are still young and healthy, and if you read this blog wishing you were living this life, don't wait. Figure out how to do it now.

Spring on the homestead

The snow has melted, the grass is growing, and everything is blooming! Here are a few pictures from around the homestead ...







More goats are due to kid soon, and we put turkey eggs in the incubator on Saturday, which means we'll have poults in about four weeks!

Just Kidding ebook available

For those of you who like reading the goat birthing stories on here, I've created a collection of 17 kidding stories. In addition to the original birth stories, I also added commentary to each one. What went well? What would I have done differently? What would not have made a difference?

And if you ever wondered what happened when Coco gave birth two years ago, I finally tell the story in the book. If you've been reading my blog for that long, you might recall that she died of a ruptured uterus after giving birth to five kids. Actually we had to take her to the University vet hospital, and they pulled the last four kids there because they were quite tangled up. Although all five kids survived, Coco did not, and I was so upset, I was unable to write her birth story at the time. The book also includes the complete story of another goat that had birthing difficulties a few years ago.

I wrote the ebook because there are so many questions from new goat owners about what to expect when their goats give birth. The book includes several normal births, including those that are not textbook perfect but still not problematic. Those are the births that seem to confuse new people the most. And because everyone worries about the possibility of a caesarean section, I included stories of our two experiences.

The ebook is available in all formats, from a simple PDF to those that will work with a variety of ereaders from Kindle to Kobo. If you don't have an ereader, you can download a PDF or get the free Kindle reading app for your computer or iPad. The ebook is only $4.99 and is about 40 pages long. Click here to learn more and to order your copy.

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