New to the group and excited to learn!

My family has a small homestead, 1.7 acres, and we are ready to begin learning all we can about the Nigerian Dwarf Dairy Goats! We want them as pets, of coarse, but also as our source of milk and dairy products. We have never owned goats before and are ready to learn and prepare for them to come home in 2012. We have questions regarding how many we need for a family of 5 with about 1 acre that we plan to fence in. Also questions regarding fence type, housing, how much milk each produces, and what we need to have before they do come home. We aren't sure if we need to keep a buck or bring our girls for "dates" since we have limited property. We prefer to raise our goats as organically as possible but will do whatever they need to remain healthy. 

We live in Alabama and have been researching breeders the best we can find them. I really want a breeder that can help me get started and be "on call" as I learn. 

Thanks in advance for helping us as we begin a new adventure!

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  • They definitely pay for themselves. I have 17 in milk now, so you don't want to hear my numbers, but we make all of our own dairy products -- cheddar, mozz, parmesan, gouda, chevre, queso blanco, ice cream, yogurt, buttermilk, and more. We're making cheddar, parmesan, and other aged cheeses faster than we use it, which is exciting because that means it gets to age longer and longer, and pretty soon we'll be eating really old cheese. The first year I got goats (9 years ago), I ran the numbers after a few months, and that first goat paid for herself in less than a year. I've been raising my own replacements for six years now, so no more cost there, plus I sell kids.

    If you are serious about being cost effective, it's really important to buy good quality stock. A 2-pound-a-day milker costs as much to care for as one that gives 4 pounds. And if you can find someone that emulates the style you want to employ, you'll be most likely to get a goat that will continue to thrive under your care. In other words, if you have an intense management style, and you buy from an organic producer or vice versa, your results may vary from theirs.

  • In my area, YES. The price evens out. There are of course start up costs. Not figuring those into my numbers, 1/2 gal of goat milk is $7.00 in my area. Same for raw cow milk. My family uses a bit over one gallon a week in milk. That's not counting in my meat, so if I pay less than $14.00 a week in feed, I have "paid" for my goats in milk alone!! I probably pay about $20.00 every two weeks in goat feed... and I have two goats. One will be a First Freshener, so her milk will be a bit less... the other gave about 1quart of milk a day when she was in milk and I bought her.  (a little less, but she wasn't at her peak, and had partially dried off) So between the two, I project that I'll be getting at least the amount we drink every week, plus enough to make some butter and cheeses. I have a family of five. We plan to have a full rotation with about 4-5 does. (full rotation as in always have 2 does in milk, and the others in circulation to be coming into milk so that we always have two does in milk.)
    Beth Boothe said:

    I am asking if when I stop buying the products I buy now in order to care for my goats, will the price even out?

     

     

  • Isn't that the truth! 



    Jan said:

    Do my goats pay for themselves?  What would be a fair price for good mental and physical health!
  • Rachel, I completely understand how you feel about your meat sources and milk sources.  We currently buy raw Jersey milk and butter from a local farmer. We try to buy our meat from local farmers as well when the season is right. Even all of our chickens have names and live a good chicken life but if we decided to eat one I know its life would have been good and I also know that the meat will be healthy for me and my family. Getting some NDG's will help us to become even more self reliant with milk and such so when I ask if they pay for themselves I am asking if when I stop buying the products I buy now in order to care for my goats, will the price even out?  If you get 1 quart of milk per goat and we drink 4 gallons per week then it seems like we will eventually need around 5-6 does or more depending on our use of it for cheese, butter etc... So much to think about, you guys have been most helpful and I really appreciate your time :-)

  • I came to that decision for a couple reasons....


    1. I don't want to place kids in homes I'm not 110% sure will be right and good for my kids.
    2. I wanted out of  industrial meat  as a consumer.
    3. I can do all the processing myself.

    I kind of feel an obligation to screen potential homes for kids that I have. I don't see myself really having the time to do that, and as you know, to have milk, you have to have kids...

    I have also done a lot of reading and learning in the last year about Big Ag. and I'm ready to opt out. I would rather know my animals by name, love them while they are alive, and have a tough time killing them than to buy another piece of meat from the industrial meat sources in our country. For me, it's worth the connection to my food. I realize more and more how removed from our food we are, and I'm kind of glad for the new appreciation I've come to have for my food. Not only on an emotional connection, but for the awareness I have for the work that is involved to produce it.

    Goat meat was a natural choice for me, because we rent. I COULD have a cow, but cost wise, it's not really worth it. Plus, I don't have to pay someone else to process my meat. My husband is a hunter, and goat is much like deer. From start to finish, we take care of it all. Between our chickens, goats, my Father In Law's grass/pasture raised beef, the fish we catch out of the river, and the Elk my husband catches, we should not have to buy meat. And all of our meat will have lived good lives, and "only had one bad day" as Micheal Pollan says.

     

    It wasn't an easy choice, but we did weigh it heavily. I feel more comfortable being "uncomfortable" butchering meat I knew, than knowing the meat I didn't know most likely had a miserable experience before it gave it's life to be my meal.


    Adrienne said:

     

    "...also, I'll be butchering some of my offspring, so I won't be buying meat..."


    David wants to do that with the bucks that don't sell...it's a seemingly reasonable alternative to keeping them especially when I want to keep my herd small... but we were raised to use all of an animal, and I am not sure I could do that with a goat..can you tell me about how you came to this decision?


    Rachel Whetzel said:

    I don't know that my goats are paying for themselves YET. I'm close. At the very least, I won't have to PAY... because my chickens are providing the income to buy feed. I trade eggs for hay and alfalfa, and I no longer have to buy milk (well I won't once my herd is full.) also, I'll be butchering some of my offspring, so I won't be buying meat... If I were to go out and BUY those things... grass fed meat, pasture raised eggs, and raw milk... they would all cost WAY more than what I'm paying for my goats. So, even though I may not be making actual money, they are virtually "free" to me.
  • "...also, I'll be butchering some of my offspring, so I won't be buying meat..."


    David wants to do that with the bucks that don't sell...it's a seemingly reasonable alternative to keeping them especially when I want to keep my herd small... but we were raised to use all of an animal, and I am not sure I could do that with a goat..can you tell me about how you came to this decision?


    Rachel Whetzel said:

    I don't know that my goats are paying for themselves YET. I'm close. At the very least, I won't have to PAY... because my chickens are providing the income to buy feed. I trade eggs for hay and alfalfa, and I no longer have to buy milk (well I won't once my herd is full.) also, I'll be butchering some of my offspring, so I won't be buying meat... If I were to go out and BUY those things... grass fed meat, pasture raised eggs, and raw milk... they would all cost WAY more than what I'm paying for my goats. So, even though I may not be making actual money, they are virtually "free" to me.
  • Do my goats pay for themselves?  What would be a fair price for good mental and physical health!
  • I don't know that my goats are paying for themselves YET. I'm close. At the very least, I won't have to PAY... because my chickens are providing the income to buy feed. I trade eggs for hay and alfalfa, and I no longer have to buy milk (well I won't once my herd is full.) also, I'll be butchering some of my offspring, so I won't be buying meat... If I were to go out and BUY those things... grass fed meat, pasture raised eggs, and raw milk... they would all cost WAY more than what I'm paying for my goats. So, even though I may not be making actual money, they are virtually "free" to me.
  • true Julia - I have never wanted a buck - and when they are in rut and the air is heavy - it stinks to high heaven - but the little buck kid, Sammy, is like a yellow tom cat - )  affectionate - he even has his Auntie under his spell. lol.

    Julia Johnson said:
    You could use a big dog house for the bucks but I like to provide more shelter for mine. For 3 bucks and a wether we have a 78 squire foot indoor barn area. I have personally found that so far no the does do not pay for them selfs. Other breeders may have found they do and maybe when I have had them longer they might but I do not expect them to. I enjoy my nigerians for milk and as pets and I also enjoy showing them. I love to watch the kids. I can have the worse day at work and come home and watch the kids play and it always makes me smile.
  • Yes, you certainly can keep 2 bucks in a 16x16 pen. As many around here will tell you If your housing fits a Golden Retriever it will be big enough for your goats. So if your dog house is big enough for two GRs then you are set. Just make sure it is well ventilated, and might I also suggest leaving the floor out, or you will be cleaning it daily...I have my girls on my enclosed front porch at night as they get close to kidding, and I was constantly sweeping it...If you research Caprine Arthritis Encephalitis (CAE), Caseous Lymphadenitis (CL), and Johnes diseases you will find a plethora of information and opinions about whether or not to test, and you can make the best choice for you and your herd. I personally would not recommend leaving them to the entire piece of land unless you really have a lot  of browse and they won't be eating much grass. If you have another area they can rotate to so that you can rest the land periodically it would work. It will also really help a lot with worm control. Thus far I have spent WAY more on these goats than any of my other animals combined, although I have heard from a few other breeders that their girls at least pay their feed bill. Even if I were to get that lucky I imagine I would still be at a loss from the vet costs I have incurred. Granted some of the things have been out of the ordinary..for me. equipment was a big investment in time and money both, but I am set up to the point now where I probably won't need much of anything for a long while. I do however have some really sweet, lovable little goats and even with all the difficulties we have had this year I'd do it again if I had it to do all over, milk or no milk.

    Beth Boothe said:

    You guys are awesome... So I can keep 2 bucks in a 16x16 pen?  That is very doable for me. Would a big wood dog house be sufficient housing for them?  Starting small is smart but I have to admit I like to jump in fast so I will have to damper myself! Sounds like I may need 7-10 total over time in order to have the milk and cheese that we want.  

    For the different tests that breeders should perform on their herds, is there a place I can learn about those? 

    Do you guys find that the does pay for themselves with the babies and milk?  

    If I have 1 acre total for the does that I can fence in should I divide it up or just have it all open to them?

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