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Does anyone have a source of Selenium/Vit E powder to order from?  I am all out, and Hoeggers Farm Yard are not answering their phones so I am hesitant to place an order online.  I don't see anyone else carrying it for goats online.  All I see in Selenium/Vit E powder for horses, is this the same stuff?  Or is there something different in the equine formulation?  Any info is helpful, thanks!

Judy

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There is a post on here about this topic from last fall. Several of us tried some of the horse seleniums, and the goats ate it up like candy, which would quickly get very expensive! Someone else discovered a selenium-E being sold by Fertrell, which they tried and liked, so a couple more of us have tried it and also like it. It really reminds me of the stuff that used to be sold by Caprine Supply, and the goats go through it at a reasonable rate. You can find local Fertrell dealers through their website.

I'm sad to say that I would not recommend Hoegger any longer. There is also a discussion about them in the archives from a few months ago. They have a LOT of bad BBB reviews. From what we could gather, they were sold awhile back, and the new owners ran the company into the ground. Very sad ending for a wonderful company that many of us loved for years.

Deborah,

Thanks for the links.  Is it possible that Fertrell no longer sells their Selenium/Vit E powder?  I can't see it on their website.  I see a mineral blend that they call Grazers choice but it has kelp, calcium, phospahte, salt, diatomaceous earth...also in it.  My last batch was the Caprine Supply  powder, so it would be great to have something similar.  I did a Google search on Fertrell and selenium, all it returned was this Grazers choice blend.

We just got some in December. I didn't even look for it on their website. I just looked for a dealer, emailed him, and told him I wanted the selenium-E supplement, and he ordered it for me.

Ok, well then I'll give that a try on Monday.  Apparently my local farmers exchange is a dealer, although I've never seen any of their products there.  But maybe I'll be in luck and they can order me some.

I have been wanting to try the Fertrell selenium/E supplement for my herd, (and this was before I saw this post), and the lady there emailed me back the following email (and now I'm kind of scared to give it a try!) :

We received your email about a free choice selenium supplement for goats. Unfortunately, I've seen that post on forums but I'm unfamiliar with what product they're referring to. Selenium is regulated by the FDA, so we legally cannot make a supplement that is straight selenium. We do offer a free choice supplement for goats that has the FDA-allowed level of 45 ppm selenium in it that may be of interest. That would be our Graziers Choice product, both with and without copper. 
We also make a Vitamin E-Selenium product, but that must be mixed into a grain ration and cannot be free-choiced. The selenium content in that is too high and must be diluted.
The only other option for increased selenium would be the Redmond S-90 salt. We carry that, and it is a selenium-heavy salt.
I apologize that we don't have the exact product you're looking for, though I do think the Grazier's Choice would be a good alternative for a free choice mineral.

It's the Vitamin E-Selenium product that she said is supposed to be mixed into feed. I've been using this one for two years, free choice, and everyone is fine. I used the selenium from Caprine Supply for five years with no problems. Legally no one can say they have a free-choice selenium supplement because selenium is not approved by the government as a free choice supplement. The lady who responded to your email has no idea who you are. You could be from the FDA or USDA or someone trying to see if they're doing that, so she is simply restating what the law says, as well as what their label says.

Selenium is controlled by the government because all feeds have to be safe to be sold all across the US. The soil in the Dakotas is high in selenium, so everything sold in the US has to be safe for animals in the Dakotas. Unfortunately that means the rest of us are getting feed and minerals that don't have enough selenium in them for our areas. So, to save animals in the Dakotas from toxicity, the rest of us have to deal with deficiency. This is why a lot of people give BoSe injections, which are not a good option for chronic deficiency because they pee out about half of it within the first 24 hours. A vet who spoke at ADGA last fall said that it only gives them a Se boost for about two weeks.

Please do not get the Grazier's Choice. That is not a good option for a goat mineral because it has so few minerals in it and not at very high levels, and it's 25% salt, which means goats won't consume much of it. By comparison Sweetlix is 10% salt. And absolutely do NOT use the Redmond salt. It would just reduce your goat's consumption of other minerals, which would be bad.

Here is more on selenium: https://thriftyhomesteader.com/goats-selenium/

Thanks, Deborah!! I feel much better now, about using the selenium/E free choice & I knew you would know the background info on it!!!  Thank you for all your research & studying that you do (and sharing that info with everyone!)  

This is what I have been doing, so far:  organic kelp, free choice; and alternating each week between Sweetlix MilkMaker and MannaPro goat minerals.... and have been doing Sel/E gel almost every month, which is why I wanted to switch to the free-choice selenium.  I will go ahead and order a bag of Selenium/E.  Is there any certain way to BEGIN giving it to the goats (like slowly introducing), or should I just put it out, and let them have all they want?

I usually have about 20 milkers, so I just filled up the mineral feeder about half full. It's the black one pictured in the Amazon ad on the right. They take a fairly long time to go through it -- unless I run out of the Sweetlix. Then the selenium starts to disappear fast.

What's interesting about the regulations is that I know two people who killed multiple goats with Multi-Min injections, which are approved and available only by prescription. The amount of selenium in MultiMin is nuts. It's several times more than what is in BoSe. I really don't understand how that's legal when they're so strict about oral supplements.

Which Sweetlix are you using? Meat Maker or Magnum Milk? Those names confuse a lot of people. Meat Maker is actually best for most goats because it has 2 to 1 calcium to phosphorus ratio, whereas Magnum Milk has 1 to 1. It is for goats eating a diet of only alfalfa so that they don't get too much calcium. So, oddly enough Magnum Milk would be a good one for bucks who have to eat alfalfa through the winter. But I've rarely met anyone who has goats eating a 100% alfalfa diet, year round.

I am supplementing w/ the Magnum Milk....which is not what I wanted originally (I wanted the Meat Maker), but our local feed mill couldn't get the Meat Maker, but could get the Magnum milk (for some odd reason).  I am also supplementing w/Chaffhaye.  I am having coat issues w/ several goats, but have been re-thinking using the the Chaffhaye, since that is fermented alfalfa, I'm wondering if it is causing zinc deficiency (with the calcium content in the Chaffhaye + our water is very hard/high in calcium & iron).  I was feeding it (the Chaffhaye), to all our goats, to save on hay, but am going to switch back to grass hay for everyone, and only supplement my milkers with the Chaffhaye.

It would be unusual to have a zinc deficiency with the Magnum Milk since it is low in calcium. It will be interesting to see how they respond when you switch back to grass hay.

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