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I am actually in the middle of my own little controlled study with it. I started using it last fall and thought it was working pretty well until I had a buck die from anemia caused by a severe case of haemonchus contortus (a.k.a. barberpole worms). As my does kid now, I am giving them either Molly's or DE and following up with fecals to see how they're working. I do my own fecals, so I can check every single goat multiple times. I don't know if it's still there, but the Fiasco Farm site used to have instructions for doing your own fecals, so I am wondering why Molly has never done this and provided the results on her website.
And speaking of herbal dewormers, the Hoegger dewormer shows you the results of a study that someone did with their dewormer, but the worm that's missing is HC, which is probably the worst one out there today. I used Hoegger's dewormer but didn't think it worked very well once a goat had a serious load of parasites, primarily HC.
I'll be sharing the results of my little research, which will be ongoing, because I really think we need to get away from the chemicals and find natural alternatives.
I have been using it for about 3 months on my guys that I was previously using Safeguard on. All are very healthy, vibrant, fat and sassy. Got a new girl 3 weeks ago, not in good shape. 6 years old, bounced around and not well cared for. Had a big worm load. Put her on the herbal for 2 weeks had her tested and worm load was significantly reduced. I like it! No throwing out milk and she is now shedding out nasty washed out coat and new coat is shiny and beautiful strawberry blond instead of bleached blonde if you can get my meaning about the contrast. I think the herbal alternatives are a good way to go!
I have used Molly Herbal wormer and I liked it a lot. You have to make sure they get the right dosing when they need it and not miss any for it to work. It also seemed to boost there immune system. Which I do believe that if they have a healthy immune system they can fight off worms. It was two summers ago that I used it. I did start making my own dewormer. The reason why I had not continued with it is because I was not good at getting them the dosing on time. I plan to go back to it this Spring again.
The worm Debra was talking about that killed her buck has been terrible this past year and very few wormers are working on it. Numerous people and species have had problems with it this past year. I think it is a sign of more problems to come! I had one buck who also came very close to dieing from it. Through fecals and working with my vets we goat a wormer that killed the worm and he is doing much better. The best thing that I can recommend with any kind of worming program is to do fecals more then once a year and famancha testing of the eyes! You will learn a lot that way about your goats. I can not say if the herbal wormer would have worked with that worm cause I did not try it.
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Deborah, please tell me how you administer the DE. I have just ordered Molly's dewormer for my goats but I'm really curious about the DE (partly because I have a 50-lb bag of it I use in the chicken coop).
I'm just researching herbal dewormers and wondered if you have found anything that you liked. I see this discussion was in 2010, is there anything you've found that works since? I was looking at Molly's and Land of Havilah. I'm leaning toward Land of Havilah just off of the reviews.
I've continued researching and finally decided to just grow my own wormwood. It is not nearly as toxic as people claim. I've had goats eat quite a lot and be perfectly fine. Actually it doesn't work unless they eat a lot, so all of those people who have you feeding a tablespoon of some mixed herbs are not using enough, as Dr. Burke hypothesized when I talked to her about it.
The main reason I don't recommend any is because you don't get a big kill rate, although you may kill enough to make one particular goat feel better. For example, I gave an ounce of fresh wormwood to a goat that had a high level of worms. She only ate half an ounce. I was treating her because her milk supply had dropped suddenly, she was pooping like a dog, and she seemed a little slow. A fecal showed a lot of eggs. Within two days she seemed perfect again, so looked like a total success. But a follow-up fecal showed that it had only killed 50% of the worms. That's fine because it eliminated all of her symptoms, so I was happy, but if she had been severely ill, a 50% kill rate would have done nothing for her. A dewormer is not considered clinically effective unless it is killing 95% of worms or more.
I haven't looked at the other dewormer that you mentioned, but there is no reason to be feeding herbs to your goats on a weekly basis like the Molly's instructs you to do. You can totally get control of worms with simple management that is basically free. If you have my book, there's about 24 pages in there about parasite management, which is way more than just giving a dewormer (whether chemical, herbal, or other, such as copper oxide). If you're in Goats 365, there are about a dozen parasite videos in there. If you're not in there and don't have my book, I can give you links to my website articles.
I noticed the link above no longer works, so I searched online and found the study on Molly's here, so you can read it: