Manna Pro Positive Pellet?

Anyone with knowledge on this stuff?  I am def. going to deworm my goats.  I checked them against my FAMACHA printout this AM and not one of them was in the top two colors.  That info plus the fact that I don't like the looks of the buckling and my lactating doe was the palest of all, I think I should definitely do it.  I am hoping to hear back from their breeder before I buy a dewormer though I know she won't tell me of one they are resistant to because she said they are not resistant to any.

 

 

so....do they need to have an injectible?  Or can I give them an oral syringe like a horse?  I don't feel comfortable sticking them, I'd wait for hubby to do it tomorrow.  He is an RN & much more comfortable with needles than me!  

 

The Manna Pro stuff seemed nice since it has all that extra vitamins and nutrients to build them back up & I see it also contains ammonium chloride so I could probably give some to my wether without a problem.

 

Thoughts?

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  • We actually remove the chickens' grain all day while the goats are in their pasture. They eat grass, bugs, and even the occasional unlucky reptile.


    I usually sprinkle a bit of their regular feed on top of the Positive Pellet to get them started. I haven't tried anything else, so if you do it, and it works, let us know!

     

    As for milk withdrawal, I personally have a very hard time believing that if the drug is in the blood, it is not in the milk. However, it is approved by the FDA for use in dairy animals, so people do consume it every day when they drink non-organic, store-bought milk. It's your decision about whether or not you want to drink the milk, but the FDA says it's safe. I disagree with the FDA on a lot of things, which is why I like having control of my dairy source.


    Juliana Goodwin said:

    Right, my chickens only get their feed in their coop.  Normally they free range with access tot heir coop.  But I think they'd do fine in the pasture for a couple of hours with no feed.  I'd think they'd be more inspired to hunt for bugs if there was no free meal lol.

     

    Last...would molasses or honey help if they don't like the pellets?  We are going to try it tonite.

     

    And it clearly says on the package that there is no milk throwaway time.  Does that mean we can still drink it?

  • Right, my chickens only get their feed in their coop.  Normally they free range with access tot heir coop.  But I think they'd do fine in the pasture for a couple of hours with no feed.  I'd think they'd be more inspired to hunt for bugs if there was no free meal lol.

     

    Last...would molasses or honey help if they don't like the pellets?  We are going to try it tonite.

     

    And it clearly says on the package that there is no milk throwaway time.  Does that mean we can still drink it?

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    Depending upon how pale the eyelids are, you'll see an improvement within a few days (if you're starting at pure white) to a week or ten days (if they're not that anemic). If you don't see an improvement by then, you could try a different dewormer and mark the other one off your list.

    We let our goats graze in the same area as our chickens sometimes. The only possible problem is that you don't want the goats to be able to get into the chicken feed because they'll eat grain until they get diarrhea, which is no fun.

  • Depending upon how pale the eyelids are, you'll see an improvement within a few days (if you're starting at pure white) to a week or ten days (if they're not that anemic). If you don't see an improvement by then, you could try a different dewormer and mark the other one off your list.

    We let our goats graze in the same area as our chickens sometimes. The only possible problem is that you don't want the goats to be able to get into the chicken feed because they'll eat grain until they get diarrhea, which is no fun.

  • Also, how soon after worming should I expect an improvement of eyelid color?  

     

    Besides a fecal, if I saw no improvement in eyelid color after a certain amount of time could I try a different dewormer?

     

    Is it true that chickens are dead end hosts for goat parasites?  Would it help with reinfection if I were to put the chicken flock on the goat pasture with them?  If I could get the damn chickens in there it would also eliminate the need for their own fenced grazing area but they don't herd very well!  But the day we tried it was very hot and we had to stop because I was worried we were working up the chickens too much in the heat.  Maybe I will try again tomorrow morning when it's cool...

    Juliana Goodwin said:

    Okay, well I picked up the Positive Pellet because it was one of only two that my closest feed store sells and I am quite sick today.  I thought this will be good enough for now as I just don't feel up to making the drive the TSC after being the vet for an hour with one of my dogs...

     

    The other one this store sells was a pelleted Safeguard for all species.  But I sat there and read the label and there was no specific dosing instruction for goats and I thought, i'll get this home and never be able to figure out how to use it.  So I bought the Positive Pellet instead.  If they won't eat it or whatever, then I'll make the drive to TSC.... or maybe hubby can help out tomorrow if I am still so sick.

     

    Sidenote, this vet said she will perform the fecal egg counts for 20 bucks per goat.  I thought I might bring her my doe's poop a few days post worming.  Doe is the palest.  So if her fecal is acceptable after worming then I could assume we are out of the woods. I can't afford to have them all done right now.  Or it's that or the chicken fencing which they really need......sigh.

     



    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    That's the same thing that's in Positive Pellet.

    Rachel Whetzel said:

    http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/614728-goat_wormer_concentrate...

    This site says the active ingredient is morantel tartrate (Rumatel)

  • Okay, well I picked up the Positive Pellet because it was one of only two that my closest feed store sells and I am quite sick today.  I thought this will be good enough for now as I just don't feel up to making the drive the TSC after being the vet for an hour with one of my dogs...

     

    The other one this store sells was a pelleted Safeguard for all species.  But I sat there and read the label and there was no specific dosing instruction for goats and I thought, i'll get this home and never be able to figure out how to use it.  So I bought the Positive Pellet instead.  If they won't eat it or whatever, then I'll make the drive to TSC.... or maybe hubby can help out tomorrow if I am still so sick.

     

    Sidenote, this vet said she will perform the fecal egg counts for 20 bucks per goat.  I thought I might bring her my doe's poop a few days post worming.  Doe is the palest.  So if her fecal is acceptable after worming then I could assume we are out of the woods. I can't afford to have them all done right now.  Or it's that or the chicken fencing which they really need......sigh.

     



    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    That's the same thing that's in Positive Pellet.

    Rachel Whetzel said:

    http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/614728-goat_wormer_concentrate...

    This site says the active ingredient is morantel tartrate (Rumatel)

  • That's the same thing that's in Positive Pellet.

    Rachel Whetzel said:

    http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/614728-goat_wormer_concentrate...

    This site says the active ingredient is morantel tartrate (Rumatel)

  • http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/614728-goat_wormer_concentrate...

    This site says the active ingredient is morantel tartrate (Rumatel)

  • Deborah,

     

    It probably does say on the label...I was looking at the website for TSC and it didn't say on the little blurb for the product.  Which is still surprising, but..

    Deborah Niemann-Boehle said:

    I wouldn't use a dewormer that doesn't list the active ingredient on the label. I honestly would have thought it was illegal for them to NOT list an active ingredient.

    Juliana Goodwin said:

    And what is this one?  It does not list an active ingredient.  But it says there is no milk withdrawal period?  Tractor Supply lists this

     

    IVESCO GOAT DEWORMER CONCENTRATE, 1 LBS.

  • I wouldn't use a dewormer that doesn't list the active ingredient on the label. I honestly would have thought it was illegal for them to NOT list an active ingredient.

    Juliana Goodwin said:

    And what is this one?  It does not list an active ingredient.  But it says there is no milk withdrawal period?  Tractor Supply lists this

     

    IVESCO GOAT DEWORMER CONCENTRATE, 1 LBS.

  • The only thing I don't like about Positive Pellet is that some goats won't eat it, but if there are several goats, they have this competition thing going on, so it's usually not a problem if you give it to all of them at once. The only possible problem then is that they might not get enough, so I usually give them about 20% more than they need.
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