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Should I worry or have a vet come out. My 2nd freshner lost her ligaments yesterday around 9-10am in the morning I checked frequently and they are still gone, she was also leaking colostrum... Even tho I am slightly new to this and this is my second year kidding I have become quiet good at finding ligaments so I know for sure they are gone but I think I can still feel a kid moving around(do they actually stop movement 12 hours before labor)... I thought I saw her having contractions yesterday if they are her lady parts squinting and sucking in and saw my other pregnant doe as well do the same thing ... How accurate is the "lost ligaments" and going into labor within 24 hours... she has not "lost her plug" that I saw.. last year she had everything within hours and I'm worried why its taking so long.. She has every typical sign that labor is around the corner . my other doe FF still has her ligaments but are very soft. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you
Losing ligaments is way over-rated, and it is much harder than most people realize. It took us about five years to get good at it. The ligaments actually sink deeper and move farther out from the spine, so those people who say the ligaments are gone because they can wrap their fingers around the tail head are often totally missing them. I can do that on a lot of goats a week before they kid. The first few years there were goats whose ligaments we couldn't find for a couple of weeks before they kidded. But there were others that we called quite accurately.
Goats don't "lose their plug." There is no plug. There is simply mucus and lots of it. Sometimes you see mucus. Sometimes you don't. If you see a string of mucus as thick as your thumb that's five inches long, I'd stick around. But beyond that, there isn't a lot you can say definitively about mucus.
No, kids don't stop moving. They actually do a lot to get themselves born, so they've moving a lot before birth. However, that does not mean you can actually feel it or see it. Being able to feel kids moving or not doesn't mean much.
Vulva movement has nothing to do with contractions, which happen in the uterus, which you can't see.
How many days pregnant is your doe?
between 145 and 151 depending when the buck got them... also her ligaments do move outwards I have searched her flank to make sure. I start to feel her ligaments starting on day 130 about 5-10 times a day to see or notice any change .... she leaked milk about 2 weeks ago and now leaked colostrum yesterday.. her udder is so tight ... she acts like she doesn't know what to do with herself... that's why I put it like "lose the plug" I haven't seen the long mucus yet... i know some people say their isn't any fetal movement 12 hours prior to labor so thought id ask.... ive dug in her back area theres nothing she pees and poo's about every ten min or so.... and just stares and what not.. like i said in every forum and book she has all the signs and just wasn't sure if she had possibly a baby having a hard time getting into position.
A goat in labor is getting up, laying down repeatedly, as in every minute or two; or she's screaming with her ears laid back; or she's laying down and pushing her hind legs WAY out; or she's nesting. What you've described are not signs of labor. They're just signs she's getting close, which could be a few hours or a few days.
What do you mean you've "dug in her back area?"
her first time last year she was quiet no screaming or anything you would of never known she was in labor ... Felt all around her tail area for ligaments .. she is up and down cant make up her mind she lays down and then just gets back up then paws for a little lays down and then gets back up
she also gave birth standing up last time she never laid down once
for my piece of mind lets just say ligaments are gone what is the actual time frame of a goat kidding 12, 24 or who knows hours?
Here is a picture of a doe whose belly had dropped, which usually happens before they go into labor:
(More info in comments under photo)
Here is a picture of what I meant when I said she'd be pushing her leg way out with her ears back:
As I said, ligaments are way over-rated, and if you believe that she should go into labor within 24 hours of when you can no longer feel them, that is not going to make you feel any better if you're convinced that they're gone.
I look at a combination of ligaments, udder, and belly looking hollow, as well as how the goat is acting. Even if they're not screaming, it's obvious when they're pushing.
If by "dug in her back area," you mean that you did a vaginal check, that is really not recommended unless it's obvious that the doe is in distress, and then I don't really recommend it unless you are on the phone with your vet or a very knowledgeable goat mentor who can talk you through it. You can cause an infection or tear the cervix or uterus, any of which can results in death.
I understand your excitement about her giving birth, but you haven't said anything that sounds worrisome. If, however, you are concerned, I would suggest calling your vet. Most are happy to talk to you on the phone.
Hooray for you! Congratulations!
Heres the 2 doelings
Congratulations! What cute kids! Love those does that make it look so easy.